My New Jeep

#21

Tomes wrote:

Quote:

"SkyKing49" <rebel727 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message
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Tomes wrote:
"SkyKing49" <rebel727 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message
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snip> .... I will simply put it in 4wd whenever I see snow and take it
out
when it
goes back to dry payment...even if I have to do it every mile.

This is exactly how you are supposed to use this vehicle's system. I
treat
it just like any other shift.
Tomes

That is exactly what I thought. Thanks for confirming it. "Some" seem
to think it would hurt the "system." I say...I am just using it the
way its suppose to be used even if I have to "shift" to 4wd every 100ft
and take it out of 4wd when I am past the trouble. Lets say I am
driving on the highway and I see about 50ft of snow covered road ahead,
I will "shift" into 4wd for that 50ft and then switch back to 2wd and
if I have to do it 100 times by the time I get to my destination...so
be it. I have a good right arm. Thanks again.

No Problem. I live in NJ and know how this is, with the in and out stuff.
I think you may know this, but just in case, here goes. Do not be driving
in 4WD on the dry pavement for any appreciable amount of time (by that I
mean that I shift into 4WD before I hit the bad road spot, not after I am in
it), especially if it is on a curve. In this system, the front wheels are
locked in with the back wheels in terms of revolution speed and need to
scuff a little when you turn as the rear wheels go a shorter, more direct
route than the front ones. If you do this on dry pavement the Jeep will not
get the opportunity to scuff on a turn and things (like U-Joints for
example) will stretch or snap eventually.

By what you wrote I think you get this already, but I just wanted to be
sure.
Tomes

Thanks again..I was actually going to wait until I was really close to
the bad spot before I put my Jeep in 4wd. I understand that I should
limit the amount of time spent in 4wd on dry pavement and try not to do
it on dry pavement at all. I might wait until I actually start
hitting it..unless its on a curve as you stated.

#22

"SkyKing49" <rebel727 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

:
: Watts D. Matter wrote:
: > : I know how to drive mate. I have lived in New England for 45yrs.
: >
: >
: > And people who live in California know how to swim...............
: >
: > What a first!!!!
:
: Yeah..but do they have a swimming license? Have they been swimming for
: over 45years?
: Don't play these games...you will lose.

Not with you...hardly. By the way, how's "Penny?"

#23

Mike Romain wrote:

Quote:

We live in Canada and take our CJ7 and Cherokee out in snow all the
time. We off road both winter and summer in them. Both my wife and I
worked jobs that require us to be on the road at all hours before the
plows hit the roads and I had a 20 mile uphill drive home in the CJ7.

Our CJ7 has 'always' gotten us there and back safely, so has our
Cherokee. We are also talking off road on trails that are impossible to
walk on, but crawling along in 4 low has gotten us out.

Jeeps 'shift on the fly' into 4 high at any legal speed and go nice, but
they sure don't slow down any nicer than any other vehicle. You have to
be careful and learn how to use the gears to slow.

True..I have always driven standards and downshifting is better than
breaking

Quote:

If you hit the brakes in a part time 4x4, all 4 wheels lock up and you
go sideways faster than you can blink. Sometimes shifting to 2 wheel
drive is better to slow down, but I like staying in 4x4. Turning left
at intersections in ice or slush works better in 2 wheel drive.

Why would 2wd be better than 4wd when turning left in those conditions?
I would think that 4wd would give better traction.

Quote:

I recommend come first snow you find an empty parking lot to try it
out. One good saying for driving in 4x4 is 'to go as slow as you can
and as fast as you need to'.

I don't know the depth of your tread, but that size in an AT tire will
have good traction with some tread depth. They are nice and narrow
which grabs the snow the best.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

SkyKing49 wrote:

As stated in one of my previous posts, I am not going to buy any new
tires for winter driving. I am not going to use studded tires when I
would only need them a couple of times a year. Chains might be an idea
otherwise the stock tires will have to do. Are there chains that are
VERY easy to get on and off, easy enough for my wife to do it if she is
out driving and needs to do it? I bought the Jeep so that my wife and
I could drive when most other folks would get stuck. I do not have to
go fast, I just need to get there. I am concerned about situations
where parts of the road is clear and parts are still snow covered. I
will simply put it in 4wd whenever I see snow and take it out when it
goes back to dry payment...even if I have to do it every mile. If the
Jeep can't handle that, I bought the wrong vehicle. My wife will be
using it for work when the weather is bad. I do not want her to hit
some snow in 2wd and start spinning around in circles. We have a 1997
Honda Accord that she drives most of the time but if the conditions are
like what I described above I am telling her to put it in 4wd even if
she has only 50ft of snow to go through before she hits dry payment.
She can then take it out of four wheel drive and repeat the process as
needed even if she has to do it 100 times on the way to work. This
should not hurt the Jeep...at least that is what I have been told. Its
just a matter of pulling the lever up and then pushing it down again so
if the Jeep can take it I have no worries. Is there any rule against
putting it in and out of 4wd in the manner I spoke of earlier or is
there a possibility of damaging the Jeep? If there are tech sites that
discuss this issue I would appreciate being linked to them.

#24

SkyKing49 proclaimed:

Quote:

Watts D. Matter wrote:

: I know how to drive mate. I have lived in New England for 45yrs.

And people who live in California know how to swim...............

What a first!!!!

Yeah..but do they have a swimming license? Have they been swimming for
over 45years?
Don't play these games...you will lose.

Feh. If you are such a wonderful driver in snow [big deal, new england]
and this is not your first jeep and you don't want to buy new tires are
you just posting so everyone can tell you how wonderful and correct you
are about everything?

#25

Lon wrote:

Quote:

SkyKing49 proclaimed:
Watts D. Matter wrote:

: I know how to drive mate. I have lived in New England for 45yrs.

And people who live in California know how to swim...............

What a first!!!!

Yeah..but do they have a swimming license? Have they been swimming for
over 45years?
Don't play these games...you will lose.

Feh. If you are such a wonderful driver in snow [big deal, new england]
and this is not your first jeep and you don't want to buy new tires are
you just posting so everyone can tell you how wonderful and correct you
are about everything?

I was seeking other peoples opinions and confirming my own. My intent
is not at issue here...your posting style is!!! Grow up and treat
folks with respect, especially if you expect to get respect from
others. Your comments were rude and simply meant to annoy. Maine,
New Hampshire, Vermont etc...etc...YEP snow is a big deal in New
England. I could go on but its pointless. You have an
attitude...period.

#26

SkyKing49 proclaimed:

Quote:

Lon wrote:

SkyKing49 proclaimed:

Watts D. Matter wrote:

: I know how to drive mate. I have lived in New England for 45yrs.

And people who live in California know how to swim...............

What a first!!!!

Yeah..but do they have a swimming license? Have they been swimming for
over 45years?
Don't play these games...you will lose.

Feh. If you are such a wonderful driver in snow [big deal, new england]
and this is not your first jeep and you don't want to buy new tires are
you just posting so everyone can tell you how wonderful and correct you
are about everything?

I was seeking other peoples opinions and confirming my own. My intent
is not at issue here...your posting style is!!! Grow up and treat
folks with respect, especially if you expect to get respect from
others. Your comments were rude and simply meant to annoy. Maine,
New Hampshire, Vermont etc...etc...YEP snow is a big deal in New
England. I could go on but its pointless. You have an
attitude...period.

Yeah, but at least I know how to drive in real snow.

I expect you'll be back whining because you had an accident and it is
everyones fault but yours.

#27

You don't say which jeep you have. My XJ is a lightweight and pretty
much useless ... ok, downright dangerous on snow in 2wd. But in 4wd
it's excellent ... but I use Toyo snow tires in winter. It's a
command-trac and both I and it have no problems switching to 4wd for
the snowy patches, and back again to 2wd for the dry pavement. Like I
said before though, the backend will break loose real fast in 2wd. Now,
if my wife was driving this vehicle it would not be a command-trac ...
why not ... because she would most certainly wind up the drivetrain in
4wd, break the transfer case chain, or worse :-)

#28

Lon wrote:

Quote:

SkyKing49 proclaimed:

Lon wrote:

SkyKing49 proclaimed:

Watts D. Matter wrote:

: I know how to drive mate. I have lived in New England for 45yrs.

And people who live in California know how to swim...............

What a first!!!!

Yeah..but do they have a swimming license? Have they been swimming for
over 45years?
Don't play these games...you will lose.

Feh. If you are such a wonderful driver in snow [big deal, new england]
and this is not your first jeep and you don't want to buy new tires are
you just posting so everyone can tell you how wonderful and correct you
are about everything?

I was seeking other peoples opinions and confirming my own. My intent
is not at issue here...your posting style is!!! Grow up and treat
folks with respect, especially if you expect to get respect from
others. Your comments were rude and simply meant to annoy. Maine,
New Hampshire, Vermont etc...etc...YEP snow is a big deal in New
England. I could go on but its pointless. You have an
attitude...period.

Yeah, but at least I know how to drive in real snow.
I expect you'll be back whining because you had an accident and it is
everyones fault but yours.

Gee...we must have fake snow in New England. Tell that to the folks in
Maine, Vermont etc.
The only person whining here is YOU. You should go to a Jeep Wave
forum and check your attitude at the door. This is my last response to
anything you post. You are a waste of time.

#29

bowgus wrote:

Quote:

You don't say which jeep you have. My XJ is a lightweight and pretty
much useless ... ok, downright dangerous on snow in 2wd. But in 4wd
it's excellent ... but I use Toyo snow tires in winter. It's a
command-trac and both I and it have no problems switching to 4wd for
the snowy patches, and back again to 2wd for the dry pavement. Like I
said before though, the backend will break loose real fast in 2wd. Now,
if my wife was driving this vehicle it would not be a command-trac ...
why not ... because she would most certainly wind up the drivetrain in
4wd, break the transfer case chain, or worse :-)

My first post stated what type of Jeep I have but here it is again.

2006 Wrangler X

Engines: 4.0-Liter Power Tech I-6 Engine

Transfer Cases: Command-Trac® Part-Time 4WD System

Axles - Rear: Dana 35 Rear Axle

Axles - Gear Ratios: 3.07 Axle Ratio

Transmissions: 6-Speed Manual Transmission

Seats: Cloth High-Back Bucket Seats

Tires: P215/75R15 RBL Wrangler All Terrain Tires

#30

SkyKing49 wrote:

Quote:

Mike Romain wrote:
We live in Canada and take our CJ7 and Cherokee out in snow all the
time. We off road both winter and summer in them. Both my wife and I
worked jobs that require us to be on the road at all hours before the
plows hit the roads and I had a 20 mile uphill drive home in the CJ7.

Our CJ7 has 'always' gotten us there and back safely, so has our
Cherokee. We are also talking off road on trails that are impossible to
walk on, but crawling along in 4 low has gotten us out.

Jeeps 'shift on the fly' into 4 high at any legal speed and go nice, but
they sure don't slow down any nicer than any other vehicle. You have to
be careful and learn how to use the gears to slow.

True..I have always driven standards and downshifting is better than
breaking

If you hit the brakes in a part time 4x4, all 4 wheels lock up and you
go sideways faster than you can blink. Sometimes shifting to 2 wheel
drive is better to slow down, but I like staying in 4x4. Turning left
at intersections in ice or slush works better in 2 wheel drive.

Why would 2wd be better than 4wd when turning left in those conditions?
I would think that 4wd would give better traction.

The left turn at an intersection here in North America is a long arc, vs
the right turn is a sharp corner.

Because of the locked center in 'part time' 4x4, when you turn a corner
one wheel has to scuff the ground due to the front wheels physically
rolling farther than the back ones.

If the snow is heavy or slushy like most salted intersections, this
front wheel scuffing can get up on top of the snow or slush and then the
Jeep just wants to go straight. Sometimes giving it more gas can pull
you around the corner, but I find it better to just shift to 2 wheel
drive for going into the turn, then back to 4x4 to power out of the
turn.

Something to try out, your tires might act differently, I have muds on
the CJ7 and AT's on the Cherokee and both do it.

Mike

Quote:

I recommend come first snow you find an empty parking lot to try it
out. One good saying for driving in 4x4 is 'to go as slow as you can
and as fast as you need to'.

I don't know the depth of your tread, but that size in an AT tire will
have good traction with some tread depth. They are nice and narrow
which grabs the snow the best.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

SkyKing49 wrote:

As stated in one of my previous posts, I am not going to buy any new
tires for winter driving. I am not going to use studded tires when I
would only need them a couple of times a year. Chains might be an idea
otherwise the stock tires will have to do. Are there chains that are
VERY easy to get on and off, easy enough for my wife to do it if she is
out driving and needs to do it? I bought the Jeep so that my wife and
I could drive when most other folks would get stuck. I do not have to
go fast, I just need to get there. I am concerned about situations
where parts of the road is clear and parts are still snow covered. I
will simply put it in 4wd whenever I see snow and take it out when it
goes back to dry payment...even if I have to do it every mile. If the
Jeep can't handle that, I bought the wrong vehicle. My wife will be
using it for work when the weather is bad. I do not want her to hit
some snow in 2wd and start spinning around in circles. We have a 1997
Honda Accord that she drives most of the time but if the conditions are
like what I described above I am telling her to put it in 4wd even if
she has only 50ft of snow to go through before she hits dry payment.
She can then take it out of four wheel drive and repeat the process as
needed even if she has to do it 100 times on the way to work. This
should not hurt the Jeep...at least that is what I have been told. Its
just a matter of pulling the lever up and then pushing it down again so
if the Jeep can take it I have no worries. Is there any rule against
putting it in and out of 4wd in the manner I spoke of earlier or is
there a possibility of damaging the Jeep? If there are tech sites that
discuss this issue I would appreciate being linked to them.

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