Chevy with wiring issues

#21

"Hamilton Audio" <hamiltonaudio (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote

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"TranSurgeon" <nobulltrans (AT) mchsi (DOT) dotcom> wrote in message
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if the voltage drops low, current cannot 'shoot up'

according to ohms law, yes it can (and does)

OK, champ

the ball's in your court

give me an example, and as Grandpa used to say 'This better be
good'........................

#22

"Hamilton Audio" <hamiltonaudio (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote

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Neato....lets see. there are LOTS of gremlins in dc electronics that
cannot be explained by ohms law on its own. Ohms Law, unto itself, makes
perfect sense. however, mix in age, rust, wear, and the operating
characteristics that differ from one circuit to another, and some cases it
isn't always the explanation. in the 12 volt industry, we see this almost
everyday....stuff that happens and makes no sense at all...

bmoney

Ya' think because you can install a car stereo, a remote start, a security
system or goddamn neon lights you're in "the 12V industry?" Gimme a
break...........................

http://www.members.shaw.ca/hamiltonaudio/

Doc

#23

hey my husband had the same problem on his 1990 fullsize blazer and he did
the samething you did. we found that the ground wire in the lighting
system wasnt grinded right so it drained the battery all the time.

#24

BlazerChic,
You seem relatively new. I would suggest changing your reply-too email
address w/ some spam preventatives, as well as finding the feature to quote
the message you are responding too.

GMC Gremlin

"blazerchic" <rockynabby (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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hey my husband had the same problem on his 1990 fullsize blazer and he did
the samething you did. we found that the ground wire in the lighting
system wasnt grinded right so it drained the battery all the time.

#25

its actually pretty easy bud. as voltage x current = power so, in a
product like a car audio amplifier, power ratings
are often at a fixed voltage of say 12.6 volts (resting battery voltage).
If this amp physically makes 100 watts of power with
an input of 10 amps at 12.6 volts, start dropping the voltage and watch what
current does.

As the voltage dips, the current drawn INCREASES in an attempt to compensate
and maintain the same level of power. There
will come a point where either the amps protection circuit kicks in, or the
power supply fails, and then current falls to zero.

Oh, and I believe that a few posts down yet another person has discovered
how a grungy ground can cause excess current
draw and, oops, drain a battery. I come back to my original point. Ohms
law is a great thing, and if all conditions are perfect,
it answers ALL questions. But in the automotive world - moisture,
vibration, rust, heat, cold and a myriad of other factors play
into things, making Ohms LAW a RULE at best in some cases. It doesn't
always make sense.....and thats not an "upstart newbie
talking", thats an MECP certfied 12V installer with 10 years industry
experience talking....

so why ya callin me "champ" anyway? I sense a somewhat defensive stance?
not sure why....

bmoney

"TranSurgeon" <nobulltrans (AT) mchsi (DOT) dotcom> wrote

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"Hamilton Audio" <hamiltonaudio (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote in message
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"TranSurgeon" <nobulltrans (AT) mchsi (DOT) dotcom> wrote in message
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if the voltage drops low, current cannot 'shoot up'

according to ohms law, yes it can (and does)

OK, champ

the ball's in your court

give me an example, and as Grandpa used to say 'This better be
good'........................

#26

thanks for the free advertising!

actually, what you see on that small
website amounts to nothing more
than hobby installations. interesting how defensive people get!! isn't it
always what you /don't/ see that
makes the man?? anyways....I work with 3 local, full time shops in town on
a wholesale product/service
basis year-round So I stay pretty well connected with the comings and
goings of busy shops, and often
participate first-hand in trouble-shooting and "interesting" cases....and
believe me theres LOTS of em.

thanks for the note bud!

bmoney

""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote

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"Hamilton Audio" <hamiltonaudio (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote in message
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Neato....lets see. there are LOTS of gremlins in dc electronics that
cannot be explained by ohms law on its own. Ohms Law, unto itself, makes
perfect sense. however, mix in age, rust, wear, and the operating
characteristics that differ from one circuit to another, and some cases
it isn't always the explanation. in the 12 volt industry, we see this
almost everyday....stuff that happens and makes no sense at all...

bmoney

Ya' think because you can install a car stereo, a remote start, a security
system or goddamn neon lights you're in "the 12V industry?" Gimme a
break...........................

http://www.members.shaw.ca/hamiltonaudio/

Doc

#27

great points gremlin. reminded me that my account was also setup as
non-spam fighting. blazerchic - setup in your
newsreader your email address with a few extra characters that make it
false....then the bots won't getcha!

bmoney

"GMC Gremlin" <phake (AT) psudo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

BlazerChic,
You seem relatively new. I would suggest changing your reply-too email
address w/ some spam preventatives, as well as finding the feature to
quote
the message you are responding too.

GMC Gremlin

"blazerchic" <rockynabby (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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hey my husband had the same problem on his 1990 fullsize blazer and he
did
the samething you did. we found that the ground wire in the lighting
system wasnt grinded right so it drained the battery all the time.

#28

"Hamilton Audio" <hamiltonaudio (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote

Quote:

thanks for the free advertising!

actually, what you see on that small
website amounts to nothing more
than hobby installations. interesting how defensive people get!! isn't
it always what you /don't/ see that
makes the man?? anyways....I work with 3 local, full time shops in town
on a wholesale product/service
basis year-round So I stay pretty well connected with the comings and
goings of busy shops, and often
participate first-hand in trouble-shooting and "interesting" cases....and
believe me theres LOTS of em.

thanks for the note bud!

bmoney

Just here to help........<g>

Doc

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""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"Hamilton Audio" <hamiltonaudio (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote in message
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Neato....lets see. there are LOTS of gremlins in dc electronics that
cannot be explained by ohms law on its own. Ohms Law, unto itself,
makes perfect sense. however, mix in age, rust, wear, and the operating
characteristics that differ from one circuit to another, and some cases
it isn't always the explanation. in the 12 volt industry, we see this
almost everyday....stuff that happens and makes no sense at all...

bmoney

Ya' think because you can install a car stereo, a remote start, a
security system or goddamn neon lights you're in "the 12V industry?"
Gimme a break...........................

http://www.members.shaw.ca/hamiltonaudio/

Doc

#29

figured you were. I guess the thing I was wondering most was....why so
quick to jump on the offensive? i re-read this thread to see where I may
have semantically gone wrong, and can't see it. I merely challenged the
statement that ohms law cures all, based on MANY first hand experiences..
then we whip out the "you have no clue" flag on me, /assuming/ I'm a newbie.
then it comes to a personal attack based on "you think you're in the
industry?" when I try to tell you i'm not a newbie.

all of this without knowing a darned thing about me or my business. kinda
made me wonder....thoughts?

bmoney
""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote

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"Hamilton Audio" <hamiltonaudio (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote in message
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thanks for the free advertising!

actually, what you see on that
small website amounts to nothing more
than hobby installations. interesting how defensive people get!! isn't
it always what you /don't/ see that
makes the man?? anyways....I work with 3 local, full time shops in town
on a wholesale product/service
basis year-round So I stay pretty well connected with the comings and
goings of busy shops, and often
participate first-hand in trouble-shooting and "interesting" cases....and
believe me theres LOTS of em.

thanks for the note bud!

bmoney

Just here to help........<g

Doc

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"Hamilton Audio" <hamiltonaudio (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote in message
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Neato....lets see. there are LOTS of gremlins in dc electronics that
cannot be explained by ohms law on its own. Ohms Law, unto itself,
makes perfect sense. however, mix in age, rust, wear, and the
operating characteristics that differ from one circuit to another, and
some cases it isn't always the explanation. in the 12 volt industry,
we see this almost everyday....stuff that happens and makes no sense at
all...

bmoney

Ya' think because you can install a car stereo, a remote start, a
security system or goddamn neon lights you're in "the 12V industry?"
Gimme a break...........................

http://www.members.shaw.ca/hamiltonaudio/

Doc

#30

"Hamilton Car Audio + Security" <spam:hamiltonaudio:spam (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote in
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figured you were. I guess the thing I was wondering most was....why so
quick to jump on the offensive? i re-read this thread to see where I may
have semantically gone wrong, and can't see it. I merely challenged the
statement that ohms law cures all, based on MANY first hand experiences..
then we whip out the "you have no clue" flag on me, /assuming/ I'm a
newbie.
then it comes to a personal attack based on "you think you're in the
industry?" when I try to tell you i'm not a newbie.

all of this without knowing a darned thing about me or my business. kinda
made me wonder....thoughts?

yes

I = E / R