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Default Re: Re: Re: Re: into mtn snow and chains - 12-23-2006 , 08:31 AM






On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:16:34 -0600, "Mike Dobony"
<sword (AT) notasarian-host (DOT) net> wrote:

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It is a snowjob when you think YOUR experience is the totality of the truth.
My s-i-l came within inches of death by the rear end spinning past the front
of a FWD car (her car came to a stop only inches from going over a cliff).
All she did was use engine braking by taking her foot off the gas going
downhill. Just because YOU didn't have that problem doesn't mean the
problem doesn't exist. Snowjob from the Snoman.

I think with will call you malarkey Mike. It is not my fault if person
was incompetent driving. I see lots of them out there every winter
thinlk they are in control with no respect for road conditions. THey
were simply going to fast for conditions, no mystery here. And if it
had been a RWD car they would have lost it worse. There is no magic
cure for poor driving in poor conditons other than to remove driver
from it if they are unable to properly adapt to it. I have logged tens
of thousands of miles driving in ice in snow and I have NEVER had a
accident doing it or a trip to the ditch but I have seen more
incompetant drivers than I can count that over drive the conditions,
get in trouble and then attack the car as fault rather than the nut
behind the wheel because the car only does what it told or allowed to
do and any fwd is far safey on ice and snow than any rwd car when no
traction aids are in use. BTW I have seen far more 4x4's and rear
wheel drive cars in ditch than FWD ones. Same every winter
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Default Re: into mtn snow and chains - 12-23-2006 , 12:31 PM






In article <2bbqo2d8ce9ba6qm8tuq3fbomchsb0hg53 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
SnoMan <admin (AT) snoman (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:16:34 -0600, "Mike Dobony"
sword (AT) notasarian-host (DOT) net> wrote:

It is a snowjob when you think YOUR experience is the totality of the truth.
My s-i-l came within inches of death by the rear end spinning past the front
of a FWD car (her car came to a stop only inches from going over a cliff).
All she did was use engine braking by taking her foot off the gas going
downhill. Just because YOU didn't have that problem doesn't mean the
problem doesn't exist. Snowjob from the Snoman.


I think with will call you malarkey Mike. It is not my fault if person
was incompetent driving. I see lots of them out there every winter
thinlk they are in control with no respect for road conditions. THey
were simply going to fast for conditions, no mystery here. And if it
had been a RWD car they would have lost it worse. There is no magic
cure for poor driving in poor conditons other than to remove driver
from it if they are unable to properly adapt to it. I have logged tens
of thousands of miles driving in ice in snow and I have NEVER had a
accident doing it or a trip to the ditch but I have seen more
incompetant drivers than I can count that over drive the conditions,
get in trouble and then attack the car as fault rather than the nut
behind the wheel because the car only does what it told or allowed to
do and any fwd is far safey on ice and snow than any rwd car when no
traction aids are in use. BTW I have seen far more 4x4's and rear
wheel drive cars in ditch than FWD ones. Same every winter
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Hopefully, Santa will bring you a new soap box for Christmas.
(the one you're using now is looking a little ragged)


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Default Re: Re: Re: Re: into mtn snow and chains - 12-23-2006 , 04:06 PM




"SnoMan" <admin (AT) snoman (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:16:34 -0600, "Mike Dobony"
sword (AT) notasarian-host (DOT) net> wrote:

It is a snowjob when you think YOUR experience is the totality of the
truth.
My s-i-l came within inches of death by the rear end spinning past the
front
of a FWD car (her car came to a stop only inches from going over a cliff).
All she did was use engine braking by taking her foot off the gas going
downhill. Just because YOU didn't have that problem doesn't mean the
problem doesn't exist. Snowjob from the Snoman.


I think with will call you malarkey Mike.
I find it a little odd that YOU would attempt to hang a name on anybody.
Especially given the fact that you have been given a bunch of names at every
group you've been involved in. All of them truthful and fitting.
In the spirit of the holidays I'll give you a reminder, don't push the
issue.

Here ya go!
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Pretty easy ain't it, and it fits.

Oh, with all your experience with snow I think it a little strange that you
didn't mention snow tires that have the snowflake stamped on the side wall.
In many states if the tire has the snowflake on it you don't have to chain
up. Blizzak was one tire. Or did they change the regs in the past couple of
years since I last looked?




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Default Re: Re: into mtn snow and chains - 12-24-2006 , 08:38 AM



On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:31:53 GMT, aarcuda69062
<nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

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Hopefully, Santa will bring you a new soap box for Christmas.
(the one you're using now is looking a little ragged)
No where near as ragged and weak as yours.
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Default Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: into mtn snow and chains - 12-24-2006 , 08:46 AM



On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:06:39 -0500, "Roy" <Roy (AT) home (DOT) net> wrote:

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I find it a little odd that YOU would attempt to hang a name on anybody.
Especially given the fact that you have been given a bunch of names at every
group you've been involved in. All of them truthful and fitting.

You will notice that I do not cuss or swear here like others and if I
slip up and "name" someone it is because they are so full of malarkey
or the like that they might as well go by the name. So many here are
experts on subjects they know nothing about. (these are the ones that
are so insecure and threatened by someone that might actual know
something that they attack me to make themselves feel more secure
because if they do not know or understand it, it must be wrong) My
comments are based on first hand expericance, physics and science not
on a feeling on something I read somewhere and now I am a expert like
most here. If you want to knock it or learn from it the choice is
yours. Your loss not mine.
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Default Re: into mtn snow and chains - 12-24-2006 , 08:54 AM



On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:38:15 GMT, SnoMan <admin (AT) snoman (DOT) com> wrote:

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On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:31:53 GMT, aarcuda69062
nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Hopefully, Santa will bring you a new soap box for Christmas.
(the one you're using now is looking a little ragged)

No where near as ragged and weak as yours.
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TheSnoMan.com
We just picked our way to town the night before last through 3" of
rain and "sugar" snow. The route is punctuated with hills and curves.
Can't think of a hill without a curve (at least one) on it. Most of
the curves are banked the wrong way.

Took the truck as it is RWD and as soon as the foot comes up off the
gas it tugs the rear end behind the front end.. We have had scary
rides with the FWD car and would phone in first before taking it out
of the driveway under such circumstances.

As it was, the normally 50 minute drive took all of 1-1/2 hours.

FWD is great as long as you don't have to use it in snow. Some of
these hills are big and you have to give it gas (IF you have any
traction) to keep the front end in front but you are going to fast you
have to keep off the gas to slow down but then the front end becomes
slower than the front end and you wind up down a 12' embankment with a
stunned look on your face.

When FWD was rare I cannot remember as many cases of cars crossing the
center line as there are now (every winter). I wonder what tales the
dead drivers would tell IF they had the chance.

Anyway - Slow down. You'll live longer.

Snowman - Don't try so hard (you know what I mean).
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Gordie


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Default Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: into mtn snow and chains - 12-24-2006 , 12:37 PM




"SnoMan" <admin (AT) snoman (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:06:39 -0500, "Roy" <Roy (AT) home (DOT) net> wrote:

I find it a little odd that YOU would attempt to hang a name on anybody.
Especially given the fact that you have been given a bunch of names at
every
group you've been involved in. All of them truthful and fitting.


You will notice that I do not cuss or swear here like others and if I
slip up and "name" someone it is because they are so full of malarkey
or the like that they might as well go by the name.
So then, you are in agreement with your many names. That's a good thing.

Quote:
So many here are
experts on subjects they know nothing about.
Like yourself.

Quote:
(these are the ones that
are so insecure and threatened by someone that might actual know
something that they attack me to make themselves feel more secure
because if they do not know or understand it, it must be wrong)
It could be because you have posted wrong info in the many groups you have
been involved in.


Quote:
My
comments are based on first hand expericance, physics and science not
on a feeling on something I read somewhere and now I am a expert like
most here. If you want to knock it or learn from it the choice is
yours. Your loss not mine.
You, as usual ignored my question regards the snowflake stamped in the
sidewall of a few dedicated snow tires (Blizzak being one) and the need NOT
to chain up, if on those tires.






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