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Re: TBI 305 : More Power? -
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Neve really thought of it that way.b Thanks for pointing that out. Any good filters that you recommend? |
A43195 air filter and have had great results. This is on a slightly
modified 88' 305 TBI, C1500. Definite improvement over the stock air
housing and filter.
Doc
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| ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:2qudnTKSdpqQD_ncRVn-jQ (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... "Bret Chase" <nunya (AT) business (DOT) net> wrote in message news  dv8m0t0663jirjk2qgsmhgejdomqqe62m (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:52:16 GMT, "Kiel Uyttenhove" kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: :|How so? How can something that restricts less air flow and something that :|swirls the air flow reduce the life of my engine? Just curious :| :| that would be because the K&N lets through a shitload of dirt. -Bret People don't seem to realize that you can't let more air through without letting thru lots of other shit with it. The solution to airflow problems is a bigger air filter, not a see-thru cotton piece of shit covered in oil. Doc :|""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message :|news:Qo-dnQQQpYzQwvncRVn-sQ (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... :| :|> "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message :|> news:ydY8d.10133$gs1.1555 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... :|>>I have a K & N and a tornado on my truck and it has helped with fuel :|>>milage, maybe not horsepower but fuel milage, K & N also helped with fuel :|>>milage. :| :|> ..........and has significantly shortened the life of your engine at the :|> same time. :| :|> Doc :| :| :| :| :| :|>> ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message :|>> news:cuudnYqGoP7_rP7cRVn-qA (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... :| :|>>> "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message :|>>> news:j8F8d.5893$gs1.1029 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... :|>>>> Try some headers, throttle body spacer, k & N, tornado, these all add :|>>>> very little hp, but when combined you might notice a 10+ hp increase. :| :|>>> Headers = great suggestion :|>>> TB Spacer = debateable :|>>> K & N = garbage :|>>> Tornado = Waste of Money :| :|>>> The headers alone (if they are long-tube with a decent set of mufflers) :|>>> should give him 15-20 HP. :| :|>>> Doc :| :| :| :| :| :|>>>> <xxxxx@xxxxx> wrote in message news:41622cfd$1 (AT) usenet01 (DOT) boi.hp.com... :|>>>>> How would I go about wringing a bit more power out of my '88 K1500 :|>>>>> TBI 305? :| :|>>>>> Short of scrapping it and going with a new power plant..... :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| |
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"Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news:Y699d.10662$gs1.8381 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... Neve really thought of it that way.b Thanks for pointing that out. Any good filters that you recommend? I use a 10" Edelbrock open-element chrome filter housing with a Purolator A43195 air filter and have had great results. This is on a slightly modified 88' 305 TBI, C1500. Definite improvement over the stock air housing and filter. Doc ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:2qudnTKSdpqQD_ncRVn-jQ (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... "Bret Chase" <nunya (AT) business (DOT) net> wrote in message news dv8m0t0663jirjk2qgsmhgejdomqqe62m (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:52:16 GMT, "Kiel Uyttenhove" kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: :|How so? How can something that restricts less air flow and something that :|swirls the air flow reduce the life of my engine? Just curious :| :| that would be because the K&N lets through a shitload of dirt. -Bret People don't seem to realize that you can't let more air through without letting thru lots of other shit with it. The solution to airflow problems is a bigger air filter, not a see-thru cotton piece of shit covered in oil. Doc :|""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message :|news:Qo-dnQQQpYzQwvncRVn-sQ (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... :| :|> "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message :|> news:ydY8d.10133$gs1.1555 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... :|>>I have a K & N and a tornado on my truck and it has helped with fuel :|>>milage, maybe not horsepower but fuel milage, K & N also helped with fuel :|>>milage. :| :|> ..........and has significantly shortened the life of your engine at the :|> same time. :| :|> Doc :| :| :| :| :| :|>> ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message :|>> news:cuudnYqGoP7_rP7cRVn-qA (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... :| :|>>> "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message :|>>> news:j8F8d.5893$gs1.1029 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... :|>>>> Try some headers, throttle body spacer, k & N, tornado, these all add :|>>>> very little hp, but when combined you might notice a 10+ hp increase. :| :|>>> Headers = great suggestion :|>>> TB Spacer = debateable :|>>> K & N = garbage :|>>> Tornado = Waste of Money :| :|>>> The headers alone (if they are long-tube with a decent set of mufflers) :|>>> should give him 15-20 HP. :| :|>>> Doc :| :| :| :| :| :|>>>> <xxxxx@xxxxx> wrote in message news:41622cfd$1 (AT) usenet01 (DOT) boi.hp.com... :|>>>>> How would I go about wringing a bit more power out of my '88 K1500 :|>>>>> TBI 305? :| :|>>>>> Short of scrapping it and going with a new power plant..... :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| |
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I have a 4.3 Liter in my S-10 with a box filter, if I did anything, it would have to be an air charger being there is no clearance under the hood near the thorttle body.I could get a k and n charger and use a different filter |
rectangular filter (dunno the Purolator Part # offhand).
Doc
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| ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:AYKdnX3sa8-f8fjcRVn-hg (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news:Y699d.10662$gs1.8381 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... Neve really thought of it that way.b Thanks for pointing that out. Any good filters that you recommend? I use a 10" Edelbrock open-element chrome filter housing with a Purolator A43195 air filter and have had great results. This is on a slightly modified 88' 305 TBI, C1500. Definite improvement over the stock air housing and filter. Doc ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:2qudnTKSdpqQD_ncRVn-jQ (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... "Bret Chase" <nunya (AT) business (DOT) net> wrote in message news dv8m0t0663jirjk2qgsmhgejdomqqe62m (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:52:16 GMT, "Kiel Uyttenhove" kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: :|How so? How can something that restricts less air flow and something that :|swirls the air flow reduce the life of my engine? Just curious :| :| that would be because the K&N lets through a shitload of dirt. -Bret People don't seem to realize that you can't let more air through without letting thru lots of other shit with it. The solution to airflow problems is a bigger air filter, not a see-thru cotton piece of shit covered in oil. Doc :|""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message :|news:Qo-dnQQQpYzQwvncRVn-sQ (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... :| :|> "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message :|> news:ydY8d.10133$gs1.1555 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... :|>>I have a K & N and a tornado on my truck and it has helped with fuel :|>>milage, maybe not horsepower but fuel milage, K & N also helped with fuel :|>>milage. :| :|> ..........and has significantly shortened the life of your engine at the :|> same time. :| :|> Doc :| :| :| :| :| :|>> ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message :|>> news:cuudnYqGoP7_rP7cRVn-qA (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... :| :|>>> "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message :|>>> news:j8F8d.5893$gs1.1029 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... :|>>>> Try some headers, throttle body spacer, k & N, tornado, these all add :|>>>> very little hp, but when combined you might notice a 10+ hp increase. :| :|>>> Headers = great suggestion :|>>> TB Spacer = debateable :|>>> K & N = garbage :|>>> Tornado = Waste of Money :| :|>>> The headers alone (if they are long-tube with a decent set of mufflers) :|>>> should give him 15-20 HP. :| :|>>> Doc :| :| :| :| :| :|>>>> <xxxxx@xxxxx> wrote in message news:41622cfd$1 (AT) usenet01 (DOT) boi.hp.com... :|>>>>> How would I go about wringing a bit more power out of my '88 K1500 :|>>>>> TBI 305? :| :|>>>>> Short of scrapping it and going with a new power plant..... :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| |
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"Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news  7e9d.7205$Vm1.4764 (AT) newsread3 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net...I have a 4.3 Liter in my S-10 with a box filter, if I did anything, it would have to be an air charger being there is no clearance under the hood near the thorttle body.I could get a k and n charger and use a different filter Just remove the "silencer" from the stock airbox and stick with the rectangular filter (dunno the Purolator Part # offhand). Doc ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:AYKdnX3sa8-f8fjcRVn-hg (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news:Y699d.10662$gs1.8381 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... Neve really thought of it that way.b Thanks for pointing that out. Any good filters that you recommend? I use a 10" Edelbrock open-element chrome filter housing with a Purolator A43195 air filter and have had great results. This is on a slightly modified 88' 305 TBI, C1500. Definite improvement over the stock air housing and filter. Doc ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:2qudnTKSdpqQD_ncRVn-jQ (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... "Bret Chase" <nunya (AT) business (DOT) net> wrote in message news dv8m0t0663jirjk2qgsmhgejdomqqe62m (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:52:16 GMT, "Kiel Uyttenhove" kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: :|How so? How can something that restricts less air flow and something that :|swirls the air flow reduce the life of my engine? Just curious :| :| that would be because the K&N lets through a shitload of dirt. -Bret People don't seem to realize that you can't let more air through without letting thru lots of other shit with it. The solution to airflow problems is a bigger air filter, not a see-thru cotton piece of shit covered in oil. Doc :|""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message :|news:Qo-dnQQQpYzQwvncRVn-sQ (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... :| :|> "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message :|> news:ydY8d.10133$gs1.1555 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... :|>>I have a K & N and a tornado on my truck and it has helped with fuel :|>>milage, maybe not horsepower but fuel milage, K & N also helped with fuel :|>>milage. :| :|> ..........and has significantly shortened the life of your engine at the :|> same time. :| :|> Doc :| :| :| :| :| :|>> ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message :|>> news:cuudnYqGoP7_rP7cRVn-qA (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... :| :|>>> "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message :|>>> news:j8F8d.5893$gs1.1029 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... :|>>>> Try some headers, throttle body spacer, k & N, tornado, these all add :|>>>> very little hp, but when combined you might notice a 10+ hp increase. :| :|>>> Headers = great suggestion :|>>> TB Spacer = debateable :|>>> K & N = garbage :|>>> Tornado = Waste of Money :| :|>>> The headers alone (if they are long-tube with a decent set of mufflers) :|>>> should give him 15-20 HP. :| :|>>> Doc :| :| :| :| :| :|>>>> <xxxxx@xxxxx> wrote in message news:41622cfd$1 (AT) usenet01 (DOT) boi.hp.com... :|>>>>> How would I go about wringing a bit more power out of my '88 K1500 :|>>>>> TBI 305? :| :|>>>>> Short of scrapping it and going with a new power plant..... :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| |
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Silencer as in my K & N? What about that new Fram "Air Hog", same difference? I'll check purolators web site. |
thereby making the intake quieter (no sucking or whoosing sounds). This
restricts airflow.
Doc
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| ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3YGdnZbGjbHhGPjcRVn-vg (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news 7e9d.7205$Vm1.4764 (AT) newsread3 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net...I have a 4.3 Liter in my S-10 with a box filter, if I did anything, it would have to be an air charger being there is no clearance under the hood near the thorttle body.I could get a k and n charger and use a different filter Just remove the "silencer" from the stock airbox and stick with the rectangular filter (dunno the Purolator Part # offhand). Doc ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:AYKdnX3sa8-f8fjcRVn-hg (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news:Y699d.10662$gs1.8381 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... Neve really thought of it that way.b Thanks for pointing that out. Any good filters that you recommend? I use a 10" Edelbrock open-element chrome filter housing with a Purolator A43195 air filter and have had great results. This is on a slightly modified 88' 305 TBI, C1500. Definite improvement over the stock air housing and filter. Doc ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:2qudnTKSdpqQD_ncRVn-jQ (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... "Bret Chase" <nunya (AT) business (DOT) net> wrote in message news dv8m0t0663jirjk2qgsmhgejdomqqe62m (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:52:16 GMT, "Kiel Uyttenhove" kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: :|How so? How can something that restricts less air flow and something that :|swirls the air flow reduce the life of my engine? Just curious :| :| that would be because the K&N lets through a shitload of dirt. -Bret People don't seem to realize that you can't let more air through without letting thru lots of other shit with it. The solution to airflow problems is a bigger air filter, not a see-thru cotton piece of shit covered in oil. Doc :|""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message :|news:Qo-dnQQQpYzQwvncRVn-sQ (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... :| :|> "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message :|> news:ydY8d.10133$gs1.1555 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... :|>>I have a K & N and a tornado on my truck and it has helped with fuel :|>>milage, maybe not horsepower but fuel milage, K & N also helped with fuel :|>>milage. :| :|> ..........and has significantly shortened the life of your engine at the :|> same time. :| :|> Doc :| :| :| :| :| :|>> ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message :|>> news:cuudnYqGoP7_rP7cRVn-qA (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... :| :|>>> "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message :|>>> news:j8F8d.5893$gs1.1029 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... :|>>>> Try some headers, throttle body spacer, k & N, tornado, these all add :|>>>> very little hp, but when combined you might notice a 10+ hp increase. :| :|>>> Headers = great suggestion :|>>> TB Spacer = debateable :|>>> K & N = garbage :|>>> Tornado = Waste of Money :| :|>>> The headers alone (if they are long-tube with a decent set of mufflers) :|>>> should give him 15-20 HP. :| :|>>> Doc :| :| :| :| :| :|>>>> <xxxxx@xxxxx> wrote in message news:41622cfd$1 (AT) usenet01 (DOT) boi.hp.com... :|>>>>> How would I go about wringing a bit more power out of my '88 K1500 :|>>>>> TBI 305? :| :|>>>>> Short of scrapping it and going with a new power plant..... :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| |
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"Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news:Csl9d.11187$gs1.10517 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... Silencer as in my K & N? What about that new Fram "Air Hog", same difference? I'll check purolators web site. No, there's a baffle in your airbox that "silences" the incoming airflow, thereby making the intake quieter (no sucking or whoosing sounds). This restricts airflow. Doc ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3YGdnZbGjbHhGPjcRVn-vg (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news 7e9d.7205$Vm1.4764 (AT) newsread3 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net...I have a 4.3 Liter in my S-10 with a box filter, if I did anything, it would have to be an air charger being there is no clearance under the hood near the thorttle body.I could get a k and n charger and use a different filter Just remove the "silencer" from the stock airbox and stick with the rectangular filter (dunno the Purolator Part # offhand). Doc ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:AYKdnX3sa8-f8fjcRVn-hg (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news:Y699d.10662$gs1.8381 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... Neve really thought of it that way.b Thanks for pointing that out. Any good filters that you recommend? I use a 10" Edelbrock open-element chrome filter housing with a Purolator A43195 air filter and have had great results. This is on a slightly modified 88' 305 TBI, C1500. Definite improvement over the stock air housing and filter. Doc ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:2qudnTKSdpqQD_ncRVn-jQ (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... "Bret Chase" <nunya (AT) business (DOT) net> wrote in message news dv8m0t0663jirjk2qgsmhgejdomqqe62m (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:52:16 GMT, "Kiel Uyttenhove" kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: :|How so? How can something that restricts less air flow and something that :|swirls the air flow reduce the life of my engine? Just curious :| :| that would be because the K&N lets through a shitload of dirt. -Bret People don't seem to realize that you can't let more air through without letting thru lots of other shit with it. The solution to airflow problems is a bigger air filter, not a see-thru cotton piece of shit covered in oil. Doc :|""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message :|news:Qo-dnQQQpYzQwvncRVn-sQ (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... :| :|> "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message :|> news:ydY8d.10133$gs1.1555 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... :|>>I have a K & N and a tornado on my truck and it has helped with fuel :|>>milage, maybe not horsepower but fuel milage, K & N also helped with fuel :|>>milage. :| :|> ..........and has significantly shortened the life of your engine at the :|> same time. :| :|> Doc :| :| :| :| :| :|>> ""Doc"" <noway (AT) nope (DOT) com> wrote in message :|>> news:cuudnYqGoP7_rP7cRVn-qA (AT) adelphia (DOT) com... :| :|>>> "Kiel Uyttenhove" <kielu84 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message :|>>> news:j8F8d.5893$gs1.1029 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net... :|>>>> Try some headers, throttle body spacer, k & N, tornado, these all add :|>>>> very little hp, but when combined you might notice a 10+ hp increase. :| :|>>> Headers = great suggestion :|>>> TB Spacer = debateable :|>>> K & N = garbage :|>>> Tornado = Waste of Money :| :|>>> The headers alone (if they are long-tube with a decent set of mufflers) :|>>> should give him 15-20 HP. :| :|>>> Doc :| :| :| :| :| :|>>>> <xxxxx@xxxxx> wrote in message news:41622cfd$1 (AT) usenet01 (DOT) boi.hp.com... :|>>>>> How would I go about wringing a bit more power out of my '88 K1500 :|>>>>> TBI 305? :| :|>>>>> Short of scrapping it and going with a new power plant..... :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| |
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ever thought of adj the timing,da, 305 is at o btdc un hook timing connecter and time at 10 btdc, hook back up connecter and shut off restart and there you go 20 horse power, if it pings back it down to 8 btds,but i never had any ping problems, i went as far as 14 btdc with out any problems , and its a new truck |
2) 10* BTDC is WAY too much. 4-6* BTDC is as high as I'd go.
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"Jeff Guenther" <scorchbhad (AT) webtv (DOT) net> wrote in message news:23942-416875FC-605 (AT) storefull-3211 (DOT) bay.webtv.net... ever thought of adj the timing,da, 305 is at o btdc un hook timing connecter and time at 10 btdc, hook back up connecter and shut off restart and there you go 20 horse power, if it pings back it down to 8 btds,but i never had any ping problems, i went as far as 14 btdc with out any problems , and its a new truck 1) Seeing as how they didn't make the 305 after 2000, it can't be "new." 2) 10* BTDC is WAY too much. 4-6* BTDC is as high as I'd go. Doc |
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But the new TPI trucks do have timing more like a carb, way up there. But then I think stock is 14* even then... |
BASE timing set at 0*. Base timing is zero, ECM bumps it up to 12-14*. So,
with BASE timing set to 14* BTDC, ACTUAL timing at hot idle would be 26-28*
BTDC, which is WWWWAAAAYYYY too high.
The new trucks run in much the same way, with base set to 0* or 'zero
camshaft retard offset' and the ECM does the rest. Timing on the newer
trucks isn't as tweakable as it is with the older TBI systems as the SES
light comes on when you mechanically advance the timing.
Doc
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