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Default WHAT THE F%&#!!! - 01-25-2006 , 01:44 PM






OK, I have been having the high idle problem for months now, replacing
nearly everything related to the TBI system. Thanx to everyone for their
input, BTW!

Yesterday the idler pulley crapped out while I was hooking up my trailer
and it overheated(temp gauge was pegged well over the 260 on the gauge).
Nothing I could do to cool it off so I just shut it off. After a couple
errands in our other vehicle, I went and got a new idler($17.40 or so),
removed the old(plastic) and installed the new(stamped steel), the belt was
good so I reused it(though routing was interesting with no diagram(third
time was a charm)). Only lost about a quart and a half of coolant.

Started it up(same as before, needed the throttle cracked), let it run a
bit, then drove it home...


NOW, THIS is where it gets interesting... Pulled up in front of my house and
something was different...it was idling at 700RPM! Switched it to an AC
setting and it went to about 850-900RPM! Went out this morning to start some
running and it started first try with no throttle, went to 1000RPM then
1100RPM, then down to 700RPM after it warmed up! Started and shut off 4-5
times with no starting or idle problems(went to 8-900 and dropped right down
to 700)!


WHAT THE F%&#????


Any ideas on this new tidbit, anyone? Everyone?



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Default Re: WHAT THE F%&#!!! - 01-25-2006 , 02:23 PM






Shades wrote:
Quote:
OK, I have been having the high idle problem for months now, replacing
nearly everything related to the TBI system. Thanx to everyone for their
input, BTW!

Yesterday the idler pulley crapped out while I was hooking up my trailer
and it overheated(temp gauge was pegged well over the 260 on the gauge).
Nothing I could do to cool it off so I just shut it off. After a couple
errands in our other vehicle, I went and got a new idler($17.40 or so),
removed the old(plastic) and installed the new(stamped steel), the belt was
good so I reused it(though routing was interesting with no diagram(third
time was a charm)). Only lost about a quart and a half of coolant.

Started it up(same as before, needed the throttle cracked), let it run a
bit, then drove it home...


NOW, THIS is where it gets interesting... Pulled up in front of my house and
something was different...it was idling at 700RPM! Switched it to an AC
setting and it went to about 850-900RPM! Went out this morning to start some
running and it started first try with no throttle, went to 1000RPM then
1100RPM, then down to 700RPM after it warmed up! Started and shut off 4-5
times with no starting or idle problems(went to 8-900 and dropped right down
to 700)!


WHAT THE F%&#????


Any ideas on this new tidbit, anyone? Everyone?


High underhood temperature could have actually caused a poor electrical
connection to move ever so slightly & make better contact. Maybe your
touching something while replacing your pulley & belt caused a bad
connection to become better.


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Default Re: WHAT THE F%&#!!! - 01-25-2006 , 04:15 PM



Good point! After some further errands this afternoon, it started acting up
again(high idle), but not constantly.

Really getting puzzled now...I guess I needed more confusion in my
life...

*sic*


"Stephen Young" <sjyoung1 (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Shades wrote:
OK, I have been having the high idle problem for months now, replacing
nearly everything related to the TBI system. Thanx to everyone for their
input, BTW!

Yesterday the idler pulley crapped out while I was hooking up my
trailer and it overheated(temp gauge was pegged well over the 260 on the
gauge). Nothing I could do to cool it off so I just shut it off. After a
couple errands in our other vehicle, I went and got a new idler($17.40 or
so), removed the old(plastic) and installed the new(stamped steel), the
belt was good so I reused it(though routing was interesting with no
diagram(third time was a charm)). Only lost about a quart and a half of
coolant.

Started it up(same as before, needed the throttle cracked), let it
run a bit, then drove it home...


NOW, THIS is where it gets interesting... Pulled up in front of my house
and something was different...it was idling at 700RPM! Switched it to an
AC setting and it went to about 850-900RPM! Went out this morning to
start some running and it started first try with no throttle, went to
1000RPM then 1100RPM, then down to 700RPM after it warmed up! Started and
shut off 4-5 times with no starting or idle problems(went to 8-900 and
dropped right down to 700)!


WHAT THE F%&#????


Any ideas on this new tidbit, anyone? Everyone?
High underhood temperature could have actually caused a poor electrical
connection to move ever so slightly & make better contact. Maybe your
touching something while replacing your pulley & belt caused a bad
connection to become better.



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mac davis
 
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Default Re: WHAT THE F%&#!!! - 01-26-2006 , 11:30 AM



On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:44:37 -0600, "Shades" <shades_1970(at)netins(dot)net>
wrote:

Maybe the added pressure and heat scared the shit out of it and it behaved for a
bit? *g*

Not having a clue about the cumputer/fuel stuff, I'll take a WAG and say that
maybe sensing the overheating condition temporally kicked the TBI to change the
mixture??

Quote:
OK, I have been having the high idle problem for months now, replacing
nearly everything related to the TBI system. Thanx to everyone for their
input, BTW!

Yesterday the idler pulley crapped out while I was hooking up my trailer
and it overheated(temp gauge was pegged well over the 260 on the gauge).
Nothing I could do to cool it off so I just shut it off. After a couple
errands in our other vehicle, I went and got a new idler($17.40 or so),
removed the old(plastic) and installed the new(stamped steel), the belt was
good so I reused it(though routing was interesting with no diagram(third
time was a charm)). Only lost about a quart and a half of coolant.

Started it up(same as before, needed the throttle cracked), let it run a
bit, then drove it home...


NOW, THIS is where it gets interesting... Pulled up in front of my house and
something was different...it was idling at 700RPM! Switched it to an AC
setting and it went to about 850-900RPM! Went out this morning to start some
running and it started first try with no throttle, went to 1000RPM then
1100RPM, then down to 700RPM after it warmed up! Started and shut off 4-5
times with no starting or idle problems(went to 8-900 and dropped right down
to 700)!


WHAT THE F%&#????


Any ideas on this new tidbit, anyone? Everyone?

Mac
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm


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Default Re: WHAT THE F%&#!!! - 01-26-2006 , 12:30 PM



Greetings,

I agree with the possibility that it may be a bad connection(s) that was
somehow aided by either the high temps or the work you did. I would suggest
checking the connections to the Intake Air Temp sensor and Coolant Temp
Sensor (as well as the sensors themselves). A fault in either one could
lead the ECM to believe that the motor is much colder than it actually was
which could cause it to run at a higher idle.

Cheers - Jonathan

"Shades" <shades_1970(at)netins(dot)net> wrote

Quote:
Good point! After some further errands this afternoon, it started acting
up again(high idle), but not constantly.

Really getting puzzled now...I guess I needed more confusion in my
life...

*sic*


"Stephen Young" <sjyoung1 (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote in message
newseQBf.22$5w1.2 (AT) fe04 (DOT) lga...
Shades wrote:
OK, I have been having the high idle problem for months now, replacing
nearly everything related to the TBI system. Thanx to everyone for their
input, BTW!

Yesterday the idler pulley crapped out while I was hooking up my
trailer and it overheated(temp gauge was pegged well over the 260 on the
gauge). Nothing I could do to cool it off so I just shut it off. After a
couple errands in our other vehicle, I went and got a new idler($17.40
or so), removed the old(plastic) and installed the new(stamped steel),
the belt was good so I reused it(though routing was interesting with no
diagram(third time was a charm)). Only lost about a quart and a half of
coolant.

Started it up(same as before, needed the throttle cracked), let it
run a bit, then drove it home...


NOW, THIS is where it gets interesting... Pulled up in front of my house
and something was different...it was idling at 700RPM! Switched it to an
AC setting and it went to about 850-900RPM! Went out this morning to
start some running and it started first try with no throttle, went to
1000RPM then 1100RPM, then down to 700RPM after it warmed up! Started
and shut off 4-5 times with no starting or idle problems(went to 8-900
and dropped right down to 700)!


WHAT THE F%&#????


Any ideas on this new tidbit, anyone? Everyone?
High underhood temperature could have actually caused a poor electrical
connection to move ever so slightly & make better contact. Maybe your
touching something while replacing your pulley & belt caused a bad
connection to become better.





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Default Re: WHAT THE F%&#!!! - 01-26-2006 , 01:31 PM



There is no Air Intake Temp Sensor.

CTS is new with new plug, as originally stated.


"Jonathan" <Fire_Capt651 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Greetings,

I agree with the possibility that it may be a bad connection(s) that was
somehow aided by either the high temps or the work you did. I would
suggest checking the connections to the Intake Air Temp sensor and Coolant
Temp Sensor (as well as the sensors themselves). A fault in either one
could lead the ECM to believe that the motor is much colder than it
actually was which could cause it to run at a higher idle.

Cheers - Jonathan

"Shades" <shades_1970(at)netins(dot)net> wrote in message
news:eKadnWewGsHyd0reRVn-qA (AT) rapidnet (DOT) com...
Good point! After some further errands this afternoon, it started acting
up again(high idle), but not constantly.

Really getting puzzled now...I guess I needed more confusion in my
life...

*sic*


"Stephen Young" <sjyoung1 (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote in message
newseQBf.22$5w1.2 (AT) fe04 (DOT) lga...
Shades wrote:
OK, I have been having the high idle problem for months now, replacing
nearly everything related to the TBI system. Thanx to everyone for
their input, BTW!

Yesterday the idler pulley crapped out while I was hooking up my
trailer and it overheated(temp gauge was pegged well over the 260 on
the gauge). Nothing I could do to cool it off so I just shut it off.
After a couple errands in our other vehicle, I went and got a new
idler($17.40 or so), removed the old(plastic) and installed the
new(stamped steel), the belt was good so I reused it(though routing was
interesting with no diagram(third time was a charm)). Only lost about a
quart and a half of coolant.

Started it up(same as before, needed the throttle cracked), let it
run a bit, then drove it home...


NOW, THIS is where it gets interesting... Pulled up in front of my
house and something was different...it was idling at 700RPM! Switched
it to an AC setting and it went to about 850-900RPM! Went out this
morning to start some running and it started first try with no
throttle, went to 1000RPM then 1100RPM, then down to 700RPM after it
warmed up! Started and shut off 4-5 times with no starting or idle
problems(went to 8-900 and dropped right down to 700)!


WHAT THE F%&#????


Any ideas on this new tidbit, anyone? Everyone?
High underhood temperature could have actually caused a poor electrical
connection to move ever so slightly & make better contact. Maybe your
touching something while replacing your pulley & belt caused a bad
connection to become better.







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Default Re: WHAT THE F%&#!!! - 01-26-2006 , 10:15 PM




"Shades" <shades_1970(at)netins(dot)net> wrote

Quote:
OK, I have been having the high idle problem for months now, replacing nearly everything related to the TBI system. Thanx to
everyone for their input, BTW!
-----

Snip.


I assume that you changed all the tbi gaskets, including the alum. ring spacer between the top of the tbi, and the
bottom of the air cleaner?

Forgive me if this has already been brought up.


HDS




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Default Re: WHAT THE F%&#!!! - 01-26-2006 , 10:30 PM



On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:44:37 -0600, "Shades"
<shades_1970(at)netins(dot)net> wrote:

Quote:
OK, I have been having the high idle problem for months now, replacing
nearly everything related to the TBI system. Thanx to everyone for their
input, BTW!

Yesterday the idler pulley crapped out while I was hooking up my trailer
and it overheated(temp gauge was pegged well over the 260 on the gauge).
Nothing I could do to cool it off so I just shut it off. After a couple
errands in our other vehicle, I went and got a new idler($17.40 or so),
removed the old(plastic) and installed the new(stamped steel), the belt was
good so I reused it(though routing was interesting with no diagram(third
time was a charm)). Only lost about a quart and a half of coolant.

Started it up(same as before, needed the throttle cracked), let it run a
bit, then drove it home...


NOW, THIS is where it gets interesting... Pulled up in front of my house and
something was different...it was idling at 700RPM! Switched it to an AC
setting and it went to about 850-900RPM! Went out this morning to start some
running and it started first try with no throttle, went to 1000RPM then
1100RPM, then down to 700RPM after it warmed up! Started and shut off 4-5
times with no starting or idle problems(went to 8-900 and dropped right down
to 700)!


WHAT THE F%&#????


Any ideas on this new tidbit, anyone? Everyone?

Idle Air Control Valve ?



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Shades
 
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Default Re: WHAT THE F%&#!!! - 01-26-2006 , 11:39 PM



Mentioned and already cone.


"Elbert" <ask (AT) me (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:44:37 -0600, "Shades"
shades_1970(at)netins(dot)net> wrote:

OK, I have been having the high idle problem for months now, replacing
nearly everything related to the TBI system. Thanx to everyone for their
input, BTW!

Yesterday the idler pulley crapped out while I was hooking up my
trailer
and it overheated(temp gauge was pegged well over the 260 on the gauge).
Nothing I could do to cool it off so I just shut it off. After a couple
errands in our other vehicle, I went and got a new idler($17.40 or so),
removed the old(plastic) and installed the new(stamped steel), the belt
was
good so I reused it(though routing was interesting with no diagram(third
time was a charm)). Only lost about a quart and a half of coolant.

Started it up(same as before, needed the throttle cracked), let it run
a
bit, then drove it home...


NOW, THIS is where it gets interesting... Pulled up in front of my house
and
something was different...it was idling at 700RPM! Switched it to an AC
setting and it went to about 850-900RPM! Went out this morning to start
some
running and it started first try with no throttle, went to 1000RPM then
1100RPM, then down to 700RPM after it warmed up! Started and shut off 4-5
times with no starting or idle problems(went to 8-900 and dropped right
down
to 700)!


WHAT THE F%&#????


Any ideas on this new tidbit, anyone? Everyone?


Idle Air Control Valve ?




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Shades
 
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Default Re: WHAT THE F%&#!!! - 01-26-2006 , 11:40 PM



Gaskets done.


"HDS" <None (AT) None (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
"Shades" <shades_1970(at)netins(dot)net> wrote in message
news:5tednd9RmruXWkreRVn-qA (AT) rapidnet (DOT) com...
OK, I have been having the high idle problem for months now, replacing
nearly everything related to the TBI system. Thanx to everyone for their
input, BTW!
-----

Snip.


I assume that you changed all the tbi gaskets, including the alum. ring
spacer between the top of the tbi, and the
bottom of the air cleaner?

Forgive me if this has already been brought up.


HDS





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