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Richard S Beckett
 
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Default F1C - YOU MUST DO THIS!!! - 07-02-2003 , 05:01 AM






Guys,

Last night I was trying to get rid of the arms, and I changed the moving
steering wheel setting from 1 to 0. It didn't do what I expected at all!

With it set to 1, which is the default, I was having a hard time driving. I
noticed that there was a delay between my wheel, and the wheel in the game.

With it set to 0 this delay is gone. The wheel still moves, and the game
looks exactly as before, except the delay is gone, and the car handles
soooooooo much better!!

This took me from not being able to complete 5 laps without going off, to
normal proper driving.

This game is now as good as GPL, IMO.

What I don't understand is what they were trying to achieve with this
setting, and why they shipped the game with the default set like this!!


Also... for a higher frame rate, turn V-sync off.

Also... I found that having the pit crew on anything but the lowest setting
had a huge frame rate hit, even when out on the track.

R.



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Ashley McConnell
 
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Default Re: F1C - YOU MUST DO THIS!!! - 07-02-2003 , 05:41 AM






Quote:
With it set to 0 this delay is gone. The wheel still moves, and the game
looks exactly as before, except the delay is gone, and the car handles
soooooooo much better!!

Great! Must try this, I've always felt that there was some delay.

Thanks!
Ash
http://www.siroccoracing.com




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Jan Verschueren
 
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Default Re: F1C - YOU MUST DO THIS!!! - 07-02-2003 , 06:27 AM



"Richard S Beckett" wrote...
Quote:
Guys,

snip
With it set to 0 this delay is gone. The wheel still
moves, and the game looks exactly as before, except
the delay is gone, and the car handles soooooooo
much better!!
Strange... indeed, had a quick try and it doesn't change a thing graphically
(in "cockpit" view, that is), whereas control en response does seem more
direct.

Jan.
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senojm23
 
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Default Re: F1C - YOU MUST DO THIS!!! - 07-02-2003 , 07:11 AM



Please provide the steps to do this
"Jan Verschueren" <jan.no_spam.verschueren (AT) pandora (DOT) be> wrote

Quote:
"Richard S Beckett" wrote...
Guys,

snip
With it set to 0 this delay is gone. The wheel still
moves, and the game looks exactly as before, except
the delay is gone, and the car handles soooooooo
much better!!

Strange... indeed, had a quick try and it doesn't change a thing
graphically
(in "cockpit" view, that is), whereas control en response does seem more
direct.

Jan.
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Jan Verschueren
 
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Default Re: F1C - YOU MUST DO THIS!!! - 07-02-2003 , 10:12 AM



"senojm23" wrote...
Quote:
Please provide the steps to do this
It's a setting in the .PLR file, as Per points out, but I don't recall the
exact wording for it. I'll let you know once I get off work tonight.

You asked about the MOMO earlier.... you are using a negative setting for
the Force Feedback strenght in the game, right? -Because all logitech users
should.

Jan.
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Damien Smith
 
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Default Re: F1C - YOU MUST DO THIS!!! - 07-02-2003 , 10:29 AM



Quote:
You asked about the MOMO earlier.... you are using a negative setting for
the Force Feedback strenght in the game, right? -Because all logitech
users
should.
Yeah, except for original red LWFF users....




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Per Thulin
 
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Default Re: F1C - YOU MUST DO THIS!!! - 07-02-2003 , 10:38 AM



"Jan Verschueren" <no_email.here (AT) thanks (DOT) org> wrote in
news:CLBMa.2925$7h.4789 (AT) afrodite (DOT) telenet-ops.be:

Quote:
"senojm23" wrote...
Please provide the steps to do this

It's a setting in the .PLR file, as Per points out, but I don't recall
the exact wording for it. I'll let you know once I get off work
tonight.

It's called exactly what was written in the original message. You want a
line that says

Moving Steering Wheel="1"

and simply change it to "0"


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frederickson
 
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Default Re: F1C - YOU MUST DO THIS!!! - 07-02-2003 , 11:00 AM



HOly shit you are right....

"Richard S Beckett" <spikey-wan (AT) bigfoot (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Guys,

Last night I was trying to get rid of the arms, and I changed the moving
steering wheel setting from 1 to 0. It didn't do what I expected at all!

With it set to 1, which is the default, I was having a hard time driving.
I
noticed that there was a delay between my wheel, and the wheel in the
game.

With it set to 0 this delay is gone. The wheel still moves, and the game
looks exactly as before, except the delay is gone, and the car handles
soooooooo much better!!

This took me from not being able to complete 5 laps without going off, to
normal proper driving.

This game is now as good as GPL, IMO.

What I don't understand is what they were trying to achieve with this
setting, and why they shipped the game with the default set like this!!


Also... for a higher frame rate, turn V-sync off.

Also... I found that having the pit crew on anything but the lowest
setting
had a huge frame rate hit, even when out on the track.

R.






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frederickson
 
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Default Re: F1C - YOU MUST DO THIS!!! - 07-02-2003 , 02:58 PM



Hmm, i posted this on simbin and some people are saying it only changes the
wheel graphically, and does nothing to the actual steering..... I dont know
what to think


"Richard S Beckett" <spikey-wan (AT) bigfoot (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Guys,

Last night I was trying to get rid of the arms, and I changed the moving
steering wheel setting from 1 to 0. It didn't do what I expected at all!

With it set to 1, which is the default, I was having a hard time driving.
I
noticed that there was a delay between my wheel, and the wheel in the
game.

With it set to 0 this delay is gone. The wheel still moves, and the game
looks exactly as before, except the delay is gone, and the car handles
soooooooo much better!!

This took me from not being able to complete 5 laps without going off, to
normal proper driving.

This game is now as good as GPL, IMO.

What I don't understand is what they were trying to achieve with this
setting, and why they shipped the game with the default set like this!!


Also... for a higher frame rate, turn V-sync off.

Also... I found that having the pit crew on anything but the lowest
setting
had a huge frame rate hit, even when out on the track.

R.






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Jan Verschueren
 
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Default Re: F1C - you may also need/want to do this [was: YOU MUST DO THIS!!!] - 07-02-2003 , 03:22 PM



"Richard S Beckett" wrote...
Quote:
Guys,
snip
Good tip, Richard.

While I scanned the .plr file for that setting I noticed this one:

"FFB rumble strip pull factor="-1.50000" // How strongly wheel pulls
right/left when running over a rumble strip. Suggested range:
-1.5 to 1.5."

At that point I suddenly realised what was wrong with the way hitting a kerb
in the game felt: it felt like hitting a rutt instead(1). Noticing the range
of values, I began to suspect this was another "make of wheel" dependant
setting. Surely the people at ISI wouldn't forget to automatically change
the sign on this setting to be in accordance(2) with that of the force
feedback strength setting (or get their signs wrong)? -Err... yes, they
would actually. To test I set the FFB strenght to 100%(3) in the game --->
bug: no change in this .plr file setting.

So I set: FFB rumble strip pull factor="1.50000" and checked. *Much* better,
but the effect was too pronounced, IMO. So I reduced it to 0.75000, but then
I still had to really steer to stay on flat rumblestrips, e.g. the outside
one towards Coca Cola curve on the Nurburgring. Now it's at 0.50000 and I
think that's a workable compromise.

I also went ahead and fiddled a little with the other settings, the result
of which is below(4) and gives me a convincing ride. These were arrived at
with Overall Strenght at 100%, Spring Effect Strengh at 40% and Damping
Effect Strenght at 40% in the MOMO wheel properties and are only included
FYI. As always YMMV.

So, recent Logitech users need to change the sign on this setting and may
want to adapt its value to taste. Everybody else + red LWFF users must keep
the sign, but may want to adapt this value to taste as well.

Jan.
=---
Rem.:

(1): I tested running into steep kerbs at low speed without steering input
and, indeed, the car would be drawn into the kerb instead of being pushed
away from it.

(2): in this case the opposite of the sign of the strenght setting

(3): I use -100% because of my Logitech MOMO.

(4): FFB rumble strip magnitude="0.50000" // How strong the rumble strip
rumble is. Range 0.0 to 1.0, 0.0 disables effect.
FFB rumble strip freq mult="0.60000" // Rumble stip frequency
multiplier 1.0 = one rumble per wheel rev.
FFB rumble strip wave type="2" // Type of wave to use for vibe:
0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB rumble strip pull factor="0.50000" // How strongly wheel pulls
right/left when running over a rumble strip. Suggested range: -1.5
to 1.5.
FFB rumble strip update thresh="0.07500" // Amount of change
required to update rumble strip effect (0.0 - 1.0)




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