Re: Tony Stewart on NASCAR

"Uwe Schürkamp" <hoover (AT) hoover (DOT) dyndns.org> wrote

:
: Hi folks,
:
: just read an interesting article in which Tony Stewart accuses NASCAR of
: race-fixing by throwing needless cautions because of "dirty track"
: conditions under suspicious circumstances. The article also mentions
: that some drivers take some styrofoam pieces onboard and chuck them out
: of the car in order to cause yellows during an opportune moment for them
: during the race.
:
: Is this true? I would think that such actions would be caught be one of
: the countless cameras during a race, but I wonder if others here have
: heard of this "practise", too?


Common practice for years. NASCAR likes cautions. Lots of action on pit
road, and it tightens up the field.

Well Uwe,

What can you say, some people believe in UFO's.
Now that I said that, we all have been in competitive sports, we all have
quote "lost that game, because of the Umpire/referee/judge." (again
bullshit).

However people with Class, don't cry "not fair" where everyone has to deal
with the EXACT same circumstances. Debri cautions started for safety sake.
I have little doubt, and would be willing to bet people find ways to
_atttempt_ to "use" this system to thier favor if possible to get away with
it. It is however, like believing that the lights always turn red only
against you when you are in a hurry, IMHO.

Tony is just like Gordon stated, Fricken Tony (need to change his nickname
to Flameboy, instead of smoke) is the Rosey O'Donel of Nascar, and often is
utterly clueless about the situations around him. THis is proven week after
week where he bitches loud that some rookie ran out of talent (pot meet
kettle) then has to eat his words, and then runs people into the wall in a
rage, over this same type of scenario time and time again.

FWIW, He was taken to task by nascar, by the officials not just management
this last weekend for his antics/remarks.
Sure, NFL has one advantage, instant replays but again they can only change
calls if there is clear and undeniable proof that the call was wrong. Works
well in a play/rest/play scenario but probably not so well in lap after lap
scenario?



Uwe Schürkamp enlightened us with:

Hi folks,

just read an interesting article in which Tony Stewart accuses NASCAR
of race-fixing by throwing needless cautions because of "dirty track"
conditions under suspicious circumstances. The article also mentions
that some drivers take some styrofoam pieces onboard and chuck them
out of the car in order to cause yellows during an opportune moment
for them during the race.

Is this true? I would think that such actions would be caught be one
of the countless cameras during a race, but I wonder if others here
have heard of this "practise", too?

cheers, uwe


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On May 10, 4:16 am, Uwe Schürkamp <hoo... (AT) hoover (DOT) dyndns.org> wrote:

Is this true? I would think that such actions would be caught be one of
the countless cameras during a race, but I wonder if others here have
heard of this "practise", too?

I once saw a replay during a race that clearly showed Robby Gordon
throwing a piece of foam padding from a roll bar out the window to
cause a caution. It was blatant. I don't follow NASCAR, but I never
did hear of any sanction against him for doing that.

Pat Dotson
UltraForce Simulators
http://www.ultraforcesim.com

On 10 May 2007 10:16:10 +0200, Uwe Schürkamp
<hoover (AT) hoover (DOT) dyndns.org> wrote:

Hi folks,

just read an interesting article in which Tony Stewart accuses NASCAR of
race-fixing by throwing needless cautions because of "dirty track"
conditions under suspicious circumstances. The article also mentions
that some drivers take some styrofoam pieces onboard and chuck them out
of the car in order to cause yellows during an opportune moment for them
during the race.

Is this true? I would think that such actions would be caught be one of
the countless cameras during a race, but I wonder if others here have
heard of this "practise", too?

cheers, uwe

Integrity and fairness have never been NASCAR's strong suits.

<pdotson (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote

On May 10, 4:16 am, Uwe Schürkamp <hoo... (AT) hoover (DOT) dyndns.org> wrote:

Is this true? I would think that such actions would be caught be one of
the countless cameras during a race, but I wonder if others here have
heard of this "practise", too?

I once saw a replay during a race that clearly showed Robby Gordon
throwing a piece of foam padding from a roll bar out the window to
cause a caution. It was blatant. I don't follow NASCAR, but I never
did hear of any sanction against him for doing that.

They fined him.....
http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/6126072

LOL

I have to laugh as your statements seem to indicate that no-one in
motorsports cheats. Did you just get here? Name one single race series
that has "NOT" caught someone-sometime cheating. All the way to F1, if it
isn't Honda with a "oops... where that extra tank come from", then it's
Schumacher blocking the last 3 minutes of qually in Monaco.

as for UFO's; Nascar _EQUALS_ Show-business-racing

It's not racing, it's money-making, it's SPONSOR time, it's far from
"racing"

MHO
==--==



"Plowboy" <Plow (AT) boy (DOT) com> wrote

Well Uwe,

What can you say, some people believe in UFO's.
Now that I said that, we all have been in competitive sports, we all have
quote "lost that game, because of the Umpire/referee/judge." (again
bullshit).

However people with Class, don't cry "not fair" where everyone has to deal
with the EXACT same circumstances. Debri cautions started for safety
sake. I have little doubt, and would be willing to bet people find ways to
_atttempt_ to "use" this system to thier favor if possible to get away
with it. It is however, like believing that the lights always turn red
only against you when you are in a hurry, IMHO.

Tony is just like Gordon stated, Fricken Tony (need to change his nickname
to Flameboy, instead of smoke) is the Rosey O'Donel of Nascar, and often
is utterly clueless about the situations around him. THis is proven week
after week where he bitches loud that some rookie ran out of talent (pot
meet kettle) then has to eat his words, and then runs people into the wall
in a rage, over this same type of scenario time and time again.

FWIW, He was taken to task by nascar, by the officials not just management
this last weekend for his antics/remarks.
Sure, NFL has one advantage, instant replays but again they can only
change calls if there is clear and undeniable proof that the call was
wrong. Works well in a play/rest/play scenario but probably not so well
in lap after lap scenario?



Uwe Schürkamp enlightened us with:
Hi folks,

just read an interesting article in which Tony Stewart accuses NASCAR
of race-fixing by throwing needless cautions because of "dirty track"
conditions under suspicious circumstances. The article also mentions
that some drivers take some styrofoam pieces onboard and chuck them
out of the car in order to cause yellows during an opportune moment
for them during the race.

Is this true? I would think that such actions would be caught be one
of the countless cameras during a race, but I wonder if others here
have heard of this "practise", too?

cheers, uwe


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I have to laught because you cannot read... Nor comprehend.
1. I said that according to CryBaby Stewart, he believes Nascar is
manipulating the races with "phantom" debris cautions, and said that about
as equally, there are who believe in UFO's.

2 Fuck it, I don't have time to read and explain it all to you, line by
line, go back to watching sponge bob and ugioh.

==--== enlightened us with:

LOL

I have to laugh as your statements seem to indicate that no-one in
motorsports cheats. Did you just get here? Name one single race
series that has "NOT" caught someone-sometime cheating. All the way
to F1, if it isn't Honda with a "oops... where that extra tank come
from", then it's Schumacher blocking the last 3 minutes of qually in
Monaco.
as for UFO's; Nascar _EQUALS_ Show-business-racing

It's not racing, it's money-making, it's SPONSOR time, it's far from
"racing"

MHO
==--==



"Plowboy" <Plow (AT) boy (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:V5F0i.97018$NK5.752 (AT) newsfe23 (DOT) lga...
Well Uwe,

What can you say, some people believe in UFO's.
Now that I said that, we all have been in competitive sports, we all
have quote "lost that game, because of the Umpire/referee/judge." (again
bullshit).

However people with Class, don't cry "not fair" where everyone has
to deal with the EXACT same circumstances. Debri cautions started
for safety sake. I have little doubt, and would be willing to bet
people find ways to _atttempt_ to "use" this system to thier favor
if possible to get away with it. It is however, like believing that
the lights always turn red only against you when you are in a hurry,
IMHO. Tony is just like Gordon stated, Fricken Tony (need to change his
nickname to Flameboy, instead of smoke) is the Rosey O'Donel of
Nascar, and often is utterly clueless about the situations around
him. THis is proven week after week where he bitches loud that some
rookie ran out of talent (pot meet kettle) then has to eat his
words, and then runs people into the wall in a rage, over this same
type of scenario time and time again. FWIW, He was taken to task by
nascar, by the officials not just
management this last weekend for his antics/remarks.
Sure, NFL has one advantage, instant replays but again they can only
change calls if there is clear and undeniable proof that the call was
wrong. Works well in a play/rest/play scenario but probably not so
well in lap after lap scenario?



Uwe Schürkamp enlightened us with:
Hi folks,

just read an interesting article in which Tony Stewart accuses
NASCAR of race-fixing by throwing needless cautions because of
"dirty track" conditions under suspicious circumstances. The
article also mentions that some drivers take some styrofoam pieces
onboard and chuck them out of the car in order to cause yellows
during an opportune moment for them during the race.

Is this true? I would think that such actions would be caught be one
of the countless cameras during a race, but I wonder if others here
have heard of this "practise", too?

cheers, uwe


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Integrity and fairness have never been NASCAR's strong suits.

Exactly. And anyone who thinks it's "real racing" (pdotson) might as well
believe in ufo's too

So you're saying it's Survivorish... After last night, I could believe it.

-Larry

"Tim Hall" <whocares (AT) whoknows (DOT) com> wrote

Integrity and fairness have never been NASCAR's strong suits.

On May 11, 5:16 pm, "==--==" <notha... (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote:

Exactly. And anyone who thinks it's "real racing" (pdotson) might as well
believe in ufo's too

What did I say that could prompt your response? I pointed out an
instance of blatant caution-causing. I made no judgment on that
incident or on NASCAR in general.

pdotson