pdotson (AT) mindspring (DOT) com wrote:
I've been driving racing sims since I can remember - when did Revs come
out? I was born in '79 so I guess I was about 8 or 10 when I first saw
Revs, and I remember getting better and better at it until I was quicker
than my Dad (but I don't know how old I was when that happened). I
wonder if the low quality graphics of Revs, coupled with the brutal
simplicity of the physics model - if you got on the grass, at all, you
crashed - made the learning curve steeper and forced me to figure out
how to get round the corner, because it was that or nothing. Today's
video games are usually either soft on accident damage, or can be put
into a mode where they are - perhaps that's the issue here. If, when you
slid into the barriers in F1 2007 on the Playstation, your car broke and
you were unable to carry on, every time, then perhaps that addition of
realism would answer these critics. And it need not damage the enjoyment
of the game - frustration at getting it wrong is what leads to joy at
getting it right. Of course, in todays pander to the lowest common
denominator world, that probably won't wash.

--
Phil

http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html

"Tim Wheatley" <tim.wheatley (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Certainly. Kids or adults who have undiagnosed mental problems, as you say,
can be effected by a chirping bird. But to say that simulation driving
games or driving games in general can produce bad drivers is absurd.

Alan

On Mar 19, 3:52 pm, "Alan Bernardo" <pol... (AT) yalta (DOT) com> wrote:
But on the reverse side in Winnipeg Man, there's apparently an rash of
kids stealing cars to go hunting joggers (opening the passenger door
to hit them as they drive by), one guys' in a coma. Dollars to
donuts it's somethign they learned from a console game and wanted to
try it for real.

On Mar 21, 4:32 pm, "mcewena" <art.mce... (AT) moh (DOT) gov.on.ca> wrote:
Obviously games didn't make them assholes but it's likely a tool that
helped them on their way.

<pdotson (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote...
May I ask why? -a friend of mine's 11-year old daughter (who, incidentally,
caught the racing bug at the wheel of a GPL F3 car on my PC) is now karting
(MiniMax I think it's called) and, from watching a couple meetings, it
seems pretty safe to me. Of course a closed car on an oval will be even
safer, I suppose...

Jan.
=---

"mcewena" <art.mcewen (AT) moh (DOT) gov.on.ca> wrote

My guess is that they did not learn this from any video or computer game.
This kind of thing has been tried before, way before computers came to be.
If it happened when there were no computers and no television, who is to
blame. If such things happen when there was no computer but there was
television, then it's television's fault. If it happens when there was
television but now there are computers and computer and video games, it's
the games that did it.

The better explanation is that some goons thought of it themselves, while
others may have just replicated what they saw on the news, about whacking
joggers with a car door.

All this stuff about how games and other media influence bad acts is
complete BS. There are some bad actors who, no matter the influence, are
going to do bad things. Watching cartoons only makes someone more violent
if that person was violent to begin with, and the same goes with any other
kind of external influence.

Claiming otherwise only sell books and advertisements.

Alan

Tim Wheatley wrote:
Uwe,

I think you should have a look at this:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20030102648.html

Hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Mr. Sylvestre

"Jan Verschueren" <jan.verschuerenNO (AT) SPAMtelenet (DOT) be> wrote

Carting is huge here in the MW US and very safe. They even require Hans
devices and have very strict chassis safety regulations. 1/4 midgets are
very good too, but because of distance to go racing them, they just haven't
caught on as much as carts in our area. I would not hesitate to say that
racing either carts or 1/4 midgets is probably safer than baseball. My bad
knees will attest to that.......:-)

Ed

On Mar 21, 7:38 pm, "Jan Verschueren"
<jan.verschuere... (AT) SPAMtelenet (DOT) be> wrote:
First I'll say, in five years of racing karts I've never seen a kid
get very seriously hurt. I believe it's fairly safe too. But, I have
seen some kids in crashes who could have been severely injured. They
were lucky. I've personally been in some pretty hairy situations
including a flip at 70 mph - those incidents are usually due to
incompetent adults. I'm just not going to put my kids into that
potential situation. If I put them in a motorized vehicle to compete
it will be something with a harness and a roll cage.

Ed mentioned a type of karts called "champ karts" that are raced in
some parts of the US. They have a roll cage and harnesses.
Unfortunately, they haven't caught on in my area. It's all open karts
around here.

Not that 1/4 midgets are perfect. I know of one local kid who broke a
leg in a 1/4 midget crash. But at least they are somewhat protected
in a midget. Plus the 1/4 midget tracks are generally very small
compared to kart ovals, so speeds are relatively low. Not to mention
I'd like to start messing around with suspension settings on those
cars

Pat Dotson

<pdotson (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote

roll cage with a motor.......:-). There are several classes all the way up
to really fast shifter carts that will top 90-100mph ( maybe even a bit
quicker). We go watch a kid in one of my wife's classes who has progressed
all the way up to the shifters. He is 11yrs old. He started in the entry
levels about 5yrs ago. He wants to go midget racing, and he could probably
do it for less money than the carts......When I found out how much money was
in those carts I damn near flipped......... The problem is the 150-200 mile
minimum trip to go race midgets and 1/4s, and even further (Iowa has several
good venues) for good competition and reputable sactioning bodies.

Ed