On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 22:09:53 -0400, "Haqsau" <haqsau (AT) planetquake (DOT) com>
wrote:

Which tracks/corners are you seeing this happening at?

Jason

I'm using the 2002 Ferrari at Nurburgring with the 2002 Europe setup.
Happens at the left hander that leads into the Ford curve, the Ford curve
itself, the RTL curve, and the Bit curve. Basically all medium speed
curves.


"Jason Moyer" <jmoyer (AT) chemlab (DOT) org> wrote

On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 19:21:44 -0400, "Haqsau" <haqsau (AT) planetquake (DOT) com>
wrote:

I'll check that out. Are you seeing this happen at any other tracks?
It should happen at Monaco at a few corners, but I can't think of
anywhere else where the inside front lifts that much.

Jason

"Jason Moyer" <jmoyer (AT) chemlab (DOT) org> wrote

It happens a lot at Nurburg for me, but also at Road America (great track).
Thanks for the suggestion by someone here that it could be a slight bit of
brakes applied due to bad controller calibration, unfortunately it didn't
fix it for me.

-Phasor

I noticed it at the Nurburgring with the default setup. Softening the rear
bars and dampers generally solves this problem. It happens when the car's
weight is being supported by the inside rear wheel. At the monaco hairpin
it'll still happen quite often - usually because it's advantageous to use
stiff bars at Monaco. It doesn't really affect the car's handling since the
inside front is pretty much fully unloaded anyway.

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:02:32 +1000, "Redmist" <guest (AT) anon (DOT) com> wrote:

That's pretty cool actually, since the cars really do lift the inside
front at Monaco.

Jason

That's not realistic. Lifting the inside front does happen in real life
with a badly set up car (or in dirt track ovals where it is done
intentionally), but it's due to the front roll stiffness being much higher
than the rear. The inside rear does not support the weight during a turn,
the weight shifts to the outside and the stiffer end supports most of the
weight. Therefore an overly stiff FRONT end will cause the inside front to
lift. That's the whole point of doing that, to unload the rears so you get
more traction. If you can get rid of it by softening the rear then
something is definitely wrong. Softening the fronts / stiffening the rears
should be the way to get rid of it.


"Redmist" <guest (AT) anon (DOT) com> wrote

On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:43:40 -0400, "Haqsau" <haqsau (AT) planetquake (DOT) com>
wrote:

It also happens at Mirabeau, but that's due to the elevation change
AFAIK.

I'm not seeing inside tire lift in the sim still, but I'm starting to
wonder if I'm just not pushing hard enough. I'm using a full stiff
front bar and a full soft rear bar too.

Jason

Or maybe you are just driving more smoothly than we are. ;o)

"Jason Moyer" <jmoyer (AT) chemlab (DOT) org> wrote

On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:00:05 +1000, "Redmist" <guest (AT) anon (DOT) com> wrote:

Maybe. I also am using much less wheel lock now, I knocked it down to
13 and since i'm not adjusting my braking points I have to trailbrake
instead of relying on the steering to scrub off speed.

Jason