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E36 Rear Fog Light or Lights ?
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Re: E36 Rear Fog Light or Lights ? -
03-04-2007
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hsg (AT) h-gee (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:jn5lu2l9q8pmnnj7m5l19fh9qmdemiii69 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:13:40 GMT, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net wrote: hsg (AT) h-gee (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:hqcju2tpj6t2cjo6lf239d8ui0ildrbcp5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 16:14:30 GMT, "RustYŠ" <No.Mail (AT) All (DOT) Thanks> wrote: "Dodgy" <Dodgy (AT) earth (DOT) planet.universe> wrote in message news:muamt25ejhaah966r6g3rbrgnols8sb3sp (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:39:35 GMT, "RustYŠ" <No.Mail (AT) All (DOT) Thanks waffled on about something: You've got one side not working. The E36 was wired both sides (proper car!). It appears that they are not. Like other krauts the UK spec E36 has only the right hand unit wired up. The plug and socket have the wire / pin missing on the left. Tight Germans ! This is not NEW! My old E3 3.3LiA 1976 only had the right rear fog lamp wired up so I got a couple of strips of brass shim from the local engineering supplies or model shop and made contacts for the left side - might be easier to buy a LHD rear lamp on eBay? Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg (AT) h-gee (DOT) co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK Pardon my ignorance, over here in the Colonies we don't have rear fog lights. Isn't there a scheme to fog lights that tells other drivers that if there is one light, then they should steer clear, and if two lights, then the vehicle ahead is stopping -- or driving with a foot on the brake pedal. In any case, isn't a violation to have to rear facing fog lights? If not, then why wouldn't the car makers wire two of them in the car instead of only one? They apparently install the bulb on the dead side, a wire over there to make it live would not cost anything. You are missing one important FACT - any light shown to the rear of a vehicle that is NOT moving backwards MUST BE RED. Rear FOG lamps are RED and rated @ 25Watt (same as brake lamps. Must not be integral with brake lamps and show a steady red light. "Same as brake lamps," is my point. If one has TWO rear facing fog lamps, then wouldn't that, by definition, look just like a driver that has his foot on the brake pedal? No - because they only operate when the lights are on therefore you will have 2 |
intensity fogs + 2 x stock rear lamps = 4 But if you are that close -SLOW DOWN!
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| Can only be used in situations where safety demands - foggy conditions when stock 5 watt light would be almost invisible @ 25 ft - 50 ft. When it raining so hard you cannot see the car in front. Can only be switched ON when the headlights are ON. Front facing FOG lamps can be White or Yellow (not so common now - red light travels furthest in fog but yellow is brighter and the FRENCH think or thought that all front light should be yellow (surrender?). However, it is illegal in the UK to use fog lights below 24" (I think maybe a bit lower) unless it is actually FOGGY as with REAR facing RED FOG warning lamps. Perhaps you never get fog in the US (joke) but I can tell you it does stop many rear end shunts in adverse conditions. We get plenty of fog, we just don't have visionaries that think we need rear facing fog lamps. Having said that, I saw (about 1.5 years ago) an brand new Audi on a Southern California freeway that had the rear facing fog light(s) illuminated -- my guess is that he had it(them) on in error since it was bright and sunny out. But, other than that single instance, I can't think of ever observing rear facing fog lamps. I understand the benefits, but we don't use them for whatever reason. As I said there is always one arsehole................! |
Sir Hugh of Bognor
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!
Hugh Gundersen
hsg (AT) h-gee (DOT) co.uk
Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK
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No - because they only operate when the lights are on therefore you will have 2 x stock lamps + 2 x red FOG lamps so as you get closer you will see the 2 hi intensity fogs + 2 x stock rear lamps = 4 But if you are that close -SLOW DOWN! |
OR, people don't screw around adding a light that isn't supposed to be
there. Then you can tell when you come up behind a car with a rear facing
fog lamp, not some putz that drives around with his foot on the brake and
the lights on.
If two rear facing fog lamps was legal, I'm pretty sure the auto makers
would wire them. Since they only wire one, my guess is that only one is
legal.
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hsg (AT) h-gee (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:5fvlu250iocm44cv1u85n9ggh3ge2rtln5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... No - because they only operate when the lights are on therefore you will have 2 x stock lamps + 2 x red FOG lamps so as you get closer you will see the 2 hi intensity fogs + 2 x stock rear lamps = 4 But if you are that close -SLOW DOWN! OR, people don't screw around adding a light that isn't supposed to be there. Then you can tell when you come up behind a car with a rear facing fog lamp, not some putz that drives around with his foot on the brake and the lights on. If two rear facing fog lamps was legal, I'm pretty sure the auto makers would wire them. Since they only wire one, my guess is that only one is legal. Actually in the UK and Europe the law is "A rear facing RED safety lamp must be |
depending on which side of the road you drive on). As many "Euroland" vehicles
drive in both LHD and RHD countries (UK - rest of the world excluding India,
Australia, Japan etc) it is usual for the manufacturers to wire in both sides as
it is now LAW - it wasn't once!
All US cars that come into the UK and Euroland have to be retro fitted with some
crap 25W rear facing RED fog lamp. These must be wired into the headlamp circuit
and fitted with an indicator to show the drive they are ON.
Just as All US and Euroland vehicles have to have "neutral" or left dipping
headlamps - by neutral I mean Vertical dip so as not to blind/distract oncoming
drivers. BMW have manual Left /Right dip settings on the headlamp shells
annoying but necessary when I go to Euroland. In Euroland one Has to carry a
complete set of replacement bulbs and a warning triangle and in France (possibly
elsewhere) a full First Aid kit and in France if one sees an accident one MUST
stop and help. In Spain one MUST carry a Day-Glo yellow safety vest and wear it
when working outside the car on a public road - changing a tyre (tire) etc.
In Europe all vehicles must have Speedos calibrated in both KPH and MPH - some
are electronic and are switchable as on the BMW MPG / L per 100KM as can also be
calibrated US MPG/Imp MPG.
Sir Hugh of Bognor
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!
Hugh Gundersen
hsg (AT) h-gee (DOT) co.uk
Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK
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We get plenty of fog, we just don't have visionaries that think we need rear facing fog lamps. Having said that, I saw (about 1.5 years ago) an brand new Audi on a Southern California freeway that had the rear facing fog light(s) illuminated -- my guess is that he had it(them) on in error since it was bright and sunny out. But, other than that single instance, I can't think of ever observing rear facing fog lamps. I understand the benefits, but we don't use them for whatever reason. I see them all the time here in the Northeast, mostly on european |
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Jeff Strickland wrote: We get plenty of fog, we just don't have visionaries that think we need rear facing fog lamps. Having said that, I saw (about 1.5 years ago) an brand new Audi on a Southern California freeway that had the rear facing fog light(s) illuminated -- my guess is that he had it(them) on in error since it was bright and sunny out. But, other than that single instance, I can't think of ever observing rear facing fog lamps. I understand the benefits, but we don't use them for whatever reason. I see them all the time here in the Northeast, mostly on european models, almost always seem to be on without the driver being aware of it. "Gee, whiz. What does that button do?" |
Sir Hugh of Bognor
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!
Hugh Gundersen
hsg (AT) h-gee (DOT) co.uk
Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK
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You've got one side not working. The E36 was wired both sides (proper car!). It appears that they are not. Like other krauts the UK spec E36 has only the right hand unit wired up. The plug and socket have the wire / pin missing on the left. Tight Germans ! |
economy model.
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The reason for being just one rear fog lamp - on the left side - as far as I know is so it would not be mistaken for braking lights. |
models have a single reversing light in the same place on the other side.
Fog is on the drivers side.
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RustYŠ wrote: "BBO" <borge (AT) berg-olsen (DOT) net> wrote in message news:WZKdnWDFUd4VyXHYRVnzvA (AT) telenor (DOT) com... The reason for being just one rear fog lamp - on the left side - as far as I know is so it would not be mistaken for braking lights. I think you may find that all / most cars in Germany only have one. Most cars produced in the European Union obide by the same rules / laws, and thus have only one fog light, on the drivers side. Some VW models have a single reversing light in the same place on the other side. Fog is on the drivers side. Exactly. ;-) Since in Europe there are some people that still insists on driving on the left side of the road, silly buggers. Happily they live on an island in the north sea and don't bother anyone else but themselves. ;-) Cheers, |
left has religious connotations - apparently 'we' protested against the POPE
some time ago?????????????
Sir Hugh of Bognor
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!
Hugh Gundersen
hsg (AT) h-gee (DOT) co.uk
Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK
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hsg (AT) h-gee (DOT) co.uk wrote: "In the past, almost everybody travelled on the left side of the road because that was the most sensible option......... But a chap called Napoleon had a good idea to tell his troops from the Brits |
road. Other countries such as the yanks who were close allies of the French
at the time soon changed too. As well as the UK others who remain on the
'correct side' include Australia, India, etc.
Here is a better site
http://www.brianlucas.ca/roadside/
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"BBO" <borge (AT) berg-olsen (DOT) net> wrote in message news:dI6dnZGO46E1mHDYRVnzvQ (AT) telenor (DOT) com... hsg (AT) h-gee (DOT) co.uk wrote: "In the past, almost everybody travelled on the left side of the road because that was the most sensible option......... But a chap called Napoleon had a good idea to tell his troops from the Brits and made the French 'change sides' |
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and march down the right hand side of the road. Other countries such as the yanks who were close allies of the French at the time soon changed too. As well as the UK others who remain on the 'correct side' include Australia, India, etc. Here is a better site http://www.brianlucas.ca/roadside/ |
Sir Hugh of Bognor
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!
Hugh Gundersen
hsg (AT) h-gee (DOT) co.uk
Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK
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