AutosTalk Forums  

Security Light stays on and car starts and runs fine..

Camaro Firebird Camaro Firebird Discussions (alt.autos.camaro.firebird)


Discuss Security Light stays on and car starts and runs fine.. in the Camaro Firebird forum.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old   
Fred Smith
 
Posts: n/a

Default Security Light stays on and car starts and runs fine.. - 12-06-2004 , 03:32 PM






I have a 96 Camaro Z28 and for the last 2 years my security light has
stayed on after I start my car. I've done nothing about it because..well...
the car runs just fine.

I am getting ready to get another vehicle and will be trading in my Camaro.
I'd really like to fix the problem to avoid the questions about why the
light is on. Calling a couple of dealers to get some guidance didn't really
help. They just wanted me to bring the car in and pay them 90.00 for a
diagnostic fee. There are no OBD II codes stored in the computer.

Is there a way to determine why the light is on but everything runs just
fine?

Thanks for any guidance!

-Fred Smith
Cltfsmith (AT) Carolina (DOT) rr.com





Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old   
KITTvsKARR
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: Security Light stays on and car starts and runs fine.. - 12-06-2004 , 03:56 PM






Did you ever replace the battery... or disconnect it? Someone told me that
you need to have someone reset the security after you do that... any truth
to that?

-Geno
1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (150k and going... getting worried)
1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops
1985 Brown Firebird 5.7L w/5-Speed (No T-tops though)
Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A w/T-tops or parts from one


Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old   
Fred Smith
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: Security Light stays on and car starts and runs fine.. - 12-06-2004 , 04:09 PM



Yes, the battery has been disconnected a few times and replaced twice since
the time I have owned the vehicle. I bought it new in 96.

I would be surprised if it were that simple. :-) I'd love it if it were.

-Fred

"KITTvsKARR" <nemetze (AT) uwplatt (DOT) REMOVE.edu> wrote

Quote:
Did you ever replace the battery... or disconnect it? Someone told me
that
you need to have someone reset the security after you do that... any truth
to that?

-Geno
1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (150k and going... getting worried)
1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops
1985 Brown Firebird 5.7L w/5-Speed (No T-tops though)
Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A w/T-tops or parts from one




Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old   
Jay
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: Security Light stays on and car starts and runs fine.. - 12-06-2004 , 09:13 PM



Fred,
Disconnecting the battery has nothing to do with it. Its totally a separate
system on that model. That may be the case on newer vehicles that utilize a
different type of theft deterrent system. On the Camaro, the system does not
"reset" especially after a battery disconnect.

{soapbox}I never got why people refuse to pay for diagnostics. There is no
ploy to lure you into the dealership to steal all your money. I know $90.00
is a lot of money and in my opinion that it is excessive. The dealership
technicians don't get to set the labor rate, that is set by the suits up
front. And don't think for a minute that we get paid even 1/4 of that $90.00
an hour. The reason why the dealer wants you to bring the car is to check it
out is because it could be any 1 of several faulty components. You can't
expect them to guess and tell you whats wrong over the phone to have you
replace the wrong part? That would be like asking a doctor to diagnose
cancer over the phone without running tests. Why is it unreasonable to pay
for auto diagnostics? I can list the different components for you to change
one by one and you can spend well over $1000.00 until you get the light to
go out, or you could bring it to me, let me test a few components and tell
you exactly which one needs to be repaired or repaired for a lot less. At
worst, if you didn't want to spend the money on the repair after I present
you with an estimate, you will have paid $90.00 and know what exactly is
wrong with your car and maybe you can tackle the repair yourself. Its just
not that easy to diagnose things over the phone or newsgroups.{/soapbox}

I can tell you one very common fault that happens a lot on VATS systems.
There are 2 wires that lead up the steering column from under the dashboard
that go to the ignition cylinder. Those wires help the theft module "read"
the chip on the key. From the ign cylinder turning all the time those little
wires tend to break a lot making a ignition cylinder replacement necessary.
That harness is part of the ign cylinder. That is just one of several things
that could be wrong, its just the most frequent one I've seen. The chip in
the key could also be worn. Both of those issues will also keep the vehicle
from starting with the security light on. Again, without looking at your
vehicle and diagnosing it by running tests, those are my best guesses. Good
Luck!

--
Jason E.
ASE Master Technician with L1 Advanced engine performance
GM Master Certified Technician - Electrical, Internal Engine, ABS & Braking,
Rear Axle, and HVAC Specialist


"Fred Smith" <plato (AT) Carolina (DOT) rr.com> wrote

Quote:
I have a 96 Camaro Z28 and for the last 2 years my security light has
stayed on after I start my car. I've done nothing about it because..well...
the car runs just fine.

I am getting ready to get another vehicle and will be trading in my
Camaro. I'd really like to fix the problem to avoid the questions about
why the light is on. Calling a couple of dealers to get some guidance
didn't really help. They just wanted me to bring the car in and pay them
90.00 for a diagnostic fee. There are no OBD II codes stored in the
computer.

Is there a way to determine why the light is on but everything runs just
fine?

Thanks for any guidance!

-Fred Smith
Cltfsmith (AT) Carolina (DOT) rr.com




Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old   
NoFunLT1
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: Security Light stays on and car starts and runs fine.. - 12-06-2004 , 09:16 PM



I'm pretty sure I know what the probem is, if you have the keys with
the small 'computer chip' on the black plastic part then your car is
equipped with a sensor in the ingition (where you actually put the key
into) that is supposed to be able to sense the key, to make sure its
the real key. In many cases, the wires from this sensor become loose or
faulty and wil trip that light.

What I find curious though is that you have NOT had problems starting
the car, as I have the security light come on and off and sometimes it
DOES prevent me from starting the vehicle (you then have to wait 3
minutes for it to cycle) and I have a 94 Trans Am and have had this
problem for 3-4 years.

You are right though, it will NOT show up as an OBD II code bc its not
that type of problem.

I suppose the only way you could be sure to fix this is to get the
ignition changed but I have no idea how much that costs. It is most
likely NOT the chip on the key it self as they are not known to fail
and besides those cost over $100 if I recall correctly.

Please let me know if you find a way to fix this as I would like to fix
mine too (with out getting a new ignition).

Hope this helped!

-K.A.


Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old   
NoFunLT1
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: Security Light stays on and car starts and runs fine.. - 12-06-2004 , 09:21 PM



Oops, sorry Jason, I didn't see your reply before I posted mine, pretty
much the same thing anyhow. In your experience, is the only way to fix
the broken wires to replace the entire ignition cylinder?


Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old   
NoFunLT1
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: Security Light stays on and car starts and runs fine.. - 12-06-2004 , 09:21 PM



Oops, sorry Jason, I didn't see your reply before I posted mine, pretty
much the same thing anyhow. In your experience, is the only way to fix
the broken wires to replace the entire ignition cylinder?


Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old   
NoFunLT1
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: Security Light stays on and car starts and runs fine.. - 12-06-2004 , 09:22 PM



Oops, sorry Jason, I didn't see your reply before I posted mine, pretty
much the same thing anyhow. In your experience, is the only way to fix
the broken wires to replace the entire ignition cylinder?


Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old   
NoFunLT1
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: Security Light stays on and car starts and runs fine.. - 12-06-2004 , 09:23 PM



Sorry for the multiple posts, the server went down for second... this
is what it was suppose to say:

Oops, sorry Jason, I didn't see your reply before I posted mine, pretty
much the same thing anyhow. In your experience, is the only way to fix
the broken wires to replace the entire ignition cylinder?


Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old   
NoFunLT1
 
Posts: n/a

Default Re: Security Light stays on and car starts and runs fine.. - 12-06-2004 , 10:02 PM






Oops, sorry Jason, I didn't see your reply before I posted mine, pretty
much the same thing anyhow.


Reply With Quote
Reply




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.