Car won't start ?

#11

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:14:09 -0300, Juhan Leemet
<juhan (AT) logicognosis (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:18:07 +0000, Jason wrote:
I have a 1994 Mithsubishi KS Verada/Diamante v6 SOHC.

Today I had the car washed (a red herring i think as there was now washing
in the engine bay), we drove about 2kms to the local shopping centre.
Turned the car off. We were there for about 10 minutes.

I went to restart the car and it failed to turnover - it did try intially
but then wouldn't even do that.

I have checked all the connections and plugs. All the electricals and
battery seem to be running OK, appears to be no spark or engine turnover.

Possibly a crack in the distributor cap? letting in moisture? I remember
years ago working on a buddy's car in the (cooling) evening. We had the
distributor cap off, and finished up at dusk. The engine just would not
fire. My friend looked at me with a sad expression that said "you broke
my car". On a hunch, I dried the inside of the distributor cap with paper
towels, and it fired right up. Dunno if modern electronic ignitions are as
much affected, but I think so. Distributor still handles high voltage.

Oh well at least you didn't keep cranking until the battery went flat

like most people do.

Al

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#12

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:30:22 -0600, "Richie Rich" <Somewhere (AT) USA (DOT) net>
wrote:

Quote:

When you say "turnover" do you mean it won't crank or do mean it won't
start?

I guess he means the engine fails to rotate at enough revolutions with

the assistance of the starting motor to initiate the internal
combustion process.
On the other hand, if it was a 4WD then he would probably mean, roll
over in the long grass and play dead. I've seen both Magna and a big
4WD do this so I can understand your confusion.

Al

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#13

<groupware (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

I did try testing the voltage on startup. It definately did not go
under 11V.

To answer a few other Q's its an Auto, And all the ignition and check
lights come on as normal.
Headlightts work and the battery terminal is secure.

Make sure the park/neutral switch is working properly by wiggling the
selector whilst holding the they to crank to see if there is a response.

If that isn't the problem, it sounds like the starter motor may be U/S but
check the fuses and fuseable links, relays (there may be one for the starter
that you can swap temporarily with the horn one or similar) and check that
the wires to the starter motor are secure, especially the small one.

If there is a relay, you can check for a crank signal input/output pretty
easily with a testlight to confirm that the ignition crank position is
producing an output to the starter via the relay.

Also, have you checked your oil lately and can you turn the motor by
hand/spanner?

Failing that, give the starter motor a solid tap with a hammer and try
again.

Regards,

Clockmeister.

#14

I mean it won't crank.

I can hear all the realys click etc when the ignition is turned on but
then I get nothing.

I am guessing it is the starter motor, as there is no spark or engine
movement. Although a couple of times early on it has had a very small
movement.
Thanks for all your help so far. I will let you know how it goes.

#15

I mean it won't crank.

I can hear all the realys click etc when the ignition is turned on but
then I get nothing. (And I have checked all the relays and fuses)

I am guessing it is the starter motor, as there is no spark or engine
movement. Although a couple of times early on it has had a very small
movement.
Thanks for all your help so far. I will let you know how it goes.

#16

On 3 Jan 2005 15:29:17 -0800, groupware (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com wrote:

Quote:

I mean it won't crank.

I can hear all the realys click etc when the ignition is turned on but
then I get nothing.

I am guessing it is the starter motor, as there is no spark or engine
movement. Although a couple of times early on it has had a very small
movement.
Thanks for all your help so far. I will let you know how it goes.

Ahhh, finally enough information for me to pipe in...

Okay, if you hear the starter relay click, and if the battery voltage
does not drop below 11 VDC, my guess is that you have a bad starter
solenoid. This is the electromagnetic "plunger" that drives the
starter drive gear into the engine's flywheel. Most times you can
replace this item seperately from the starter, but since it's mounted
on the starter and you have to remove the starter motor in order to
access the solenoid, I usually replace the starter motor as a matter
of routine.

Raymond Sirois
SysOp: The Lost Chord BBS
607-733-5745
telnet://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6000

#17

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:07:57 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one (AT) nowhere (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

Failing that, give the starter motor a solid tap with a hammer and try
again.

He shouldn't take his aggression out on the starter motor, he should
hit himself and try again.

Al

I don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

#18

If the starter solenoid clicks then its not the solenoid but the starter
thats bad.
Mark
"Raymond Sirois" <rsirois (AT) stny (DOT) rr.com> wrote

Quote:

On 3 Jan 2005 15:29:17 -0800, groupware (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com wrote:

I mean it won't crank.

I can hear all the realys click etc when the ignition is turned on but
then I get nothing.

I am guessing it is the starter motor, as there is no spark or engine
movement. Although a couple of times early on it has had a very small
movement.
Thanks for all your help so far. I will let you know how it goes.

Ahhh, finally enough information for me to pipe in...

Okay, if you hear the starter relay click, and if the battery voltage
does not drop below 11 VDC, my guess is that you have a bad starter
solenoid. This is the electromagnetic "plunger" that drives the
starter drive gear into the engine's flywheel. Most times you can
replace this item seperately from the starter, but since it's mounted
on the starter and you have to remove the starter motor in order to
access the solenoid, I usually replace the starter motor as a matter
of routine.

Raymond Sirois
SysOp: The Lost Chord BBS
607-733-5745
telnet://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6000

#19

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:10:01 GMT, "Mark" <markjean69 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>
wrote:

Quote:

If the starter solenoid clicks then its not the solenoid but the starter
thats bad.
Mark

Read the post, Mark. He says he hears the RELAYS click. Says nothing
at all about the solenoid. Basic electricity. The starter RELAY
controls high current connection from the battery to the starter motor
by way of a low current circuit between the battery and the key switch
by way of a device known as a relay. The SOLENOID is an
electo-mechanical device that operates on the principle of an
electromagnet, activating a linkage (either radial or coaxial) that
enables the starter gear to engage the flywheel.

Don't feel bad. The inexperienced and uneducated often confuse the
starter relay with the starter solenoid. You're in "good" company.

Quote:

"Raymond Sirois" <rsirois (AT) stny (DOT) rr.com> wrote in message
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On 3 Jan 2005 15:29:17 -0800, groupware (AT) rocketmail (DOT) com wrote:

I mean it won't crank.

I can hear all the realys click etc when the ignition is turned on but
then I get nothing.

I am guessing it is the starter motor, as there is no spark or engine
movement. Although a couple of times early on it has had a very small
movement.
Thanks for all your help so far. I will let you know how it goes.

Ahhh, finally enough information for me to pipe in...

Okay, if you hear the starter relay click, and if the battery voltage
does not drop below 11 VDC, my guess is that you have a bad starter
solenoid. This is the electromagnetic "plunger" that drives the
starter drive gear into the engine's flywheel. Most times you can
replace this item seperately from the starter, but since it's mounted
on the starter and you have to remove the starter motor in order to
access the solenoid, I usually replace the starter motor as a matter
of routine.

Raymond Sirois
SysOp: The Lost Chord BBS
607-733-5745
telnet://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6000

Raymond Sirois
SysOp: The Lost Chord BBS
607-733-5745
telnet://thelostchord.dns2go.com:6000

#20

OK so here is the answer.

It is the Starter Motor - totally screwed !

My "slow" oil leak was leaking into the starter motor which was nice
and full of gunk and oil.

New starter motor required and I guess I will have to address the oil
leak as well.

Thanks for all your help.

Jason

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