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Re: Car won't start ? -
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:16:58 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote: "Mike Romain" <romainm (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca> wrote in message news:41DFEA63.BD002E31 (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca... Albm&ctd wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:35:39 +0800, "Clockmeister" no-one (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote: "Juhan Leemet" <juhan (AT) logicognosis (DOT) com> wrote in message news  an.2005.01.06.02.33.13.206287 (AT) logicognosis (DOT) com...On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:48:57 +0000, Albm&ctd wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:07:57 +0800, "Clockmeister" no-one (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote: Failing that, give the starter motor a solid tap with a hammer and try again. He shouldn't take his aggression out on the starter motor, he should hit himself and try again. That wasn't such a crazy suggestion. Not at all, it can be an invaluable diagnostic tool. I was serious! Yes maybe but percussive maintenance is frowned upon Clockie.. alias Fonzie. I have never had to beat any starter motor to diagnose an electrical problem. So you are just a 'parts changer' then? Keep throwing new parts at it and 'something' 'hopefully' has to fix it before you go bankrupt eh? Nope, I have a the correct tools, meters etc, therfore I have never had to resort to violence ;-) Also hitting it is not a way to 'fix' it. |
I fix a starter to a servicable condition with whatever parts it
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needs after non-percussive diagnosis. |
multimeter.
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A quick tap with a hammer on a starter can diagnose a stuck or worn out brush and/or a bad solenoid according to what 'clicks' or what symptoms change if any. Damn right, it's a valuable diagnostic tool. Good grief, when it comes to electrical diagnosis, a hammer is not necessary. That's all I was on about :-) |
when it come to diagnosis because all top tradespeople do.
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"Albm&ctd" <alb_mandctdNOWMD (AT) connexus (DOT) net.au> wrote in message news:34btcdF490nkuU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net... On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:16:58 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote: "Mike Romain" <romainm (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca> wrote in message news:41DFEA63.BD002E31 (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca... Albm&ctd wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:35:39 +0800, "Clockmeister" no-one (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote: "Juhan Leemet" <juhan (AT) logicognosis (DOT) com> wrote in message news an.2005.01.06.02.33.13.206287 (AT) logicognosis (DOT) com...On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:48:57 +0000, Albm&ctd wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:07:57 +0800, "Clockmeister" no-one (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote: Failing that, give the starter motor a solid tap with a hammer and try again. He shouldn't take his aggression out on the starter motor, he should hit himself and try again. That wasn't such a crazy suggestion. Not at all, it can be an invaluable diagnostic tool. I was serious! Yes maybe but percussive maintenance is frowned upon Clockie.. alias Fonzie. I have never had to beat any starter motor to diagnose an electrical problem. So you are just a 'parts changer' then? Keep throwing new parts at it and 'something' 'hopefully' has to fix it before you go bankrupt eh? Nope, I have a the correct tools, meters etc, therfore I have never had to resort to violence ;-) Also hitting it is not a way to 'fix' it. Never suggested it was, it's a valuable *diagnostic* tool though. I fix a starter to a servicable condition with whatever parts it needs after non-percussive diagnosis. Shame if it's an electro-mechanical fault that can't be diagnosed with a multimeter. A quick tap with a hammer on a starter can diagnose a stuck or worn out brush and/or a bad solenoid according to what 'clicks' or what symptoms change if any. Damn right, it's a valuable diagnostic tool. Good grief, when it comes to electrical diagnosis, a hammer is not necessary. That's all I was on about :-) Shame that you don't use all available tools to your advantage especially when it come to diagnosis because all top tradespeople do. Many a time I have saved someone a lot of bucks by finding the real |
quite easy to disturb a wiring problem or loose connection whilst
flogging away with a hammer. I find most mechanics are quite thick
when it comes to electrics. Not saying you are of course Clocky, but
you know what I mean -- It's the starter motor Lady -- turned out to
be the start wire to the solenoid rubbed through and grounded
intermittently. Got plenty more examples.
Al
I don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:25:15 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote: "Albm&ctd" <alb_mandctdNOWMD (AT) connexus (DOT) net.au> wrote in message news:34btcdF490nkuU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net... On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:16:58 +0800, "Clockmeister" <no-one (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote: "Mike Romain" <romainm (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca> wrote in message news:41DFEA63.BD002E31 (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca... Albm&ctd wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:35:39 +0800, "Clockmeister" no-one (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote: "Juhan Leemet" <juhan (AT) logicognosis (DOT) com> wrote in message news an.2005.01.06.02.33.13.206287 (AT) logicognosis (DOT) com...On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:48:57 +0000, Albm&ctd wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 07:07:57 +0800, "Clockmeister" no-one (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote: Failing that, give the starter motor a solid tap with a hammer and try again. He shouldn't take his aggression out on the starter motor, he should hit himself and try again. That wasn't such a crazy suggestion. Not at all, it can be an invaluable diagnostic tool. I was serious! Yes maybe but percussive maintenance is frowned upon Clockie.. alias Fonzie. I have never had to beat any starter motor to diagnose an electrical problem. So you are just a 'parts changer' then? Keep throwing new parts at it and 'something' 'hopefully' has to fix it before you go bankrupt eh? Nope, I have a the correct tools, meters etc, therfore I have never had to resort to violence ;-) Also hitting it is not a way to 'fix' it. Never suggested it was, it's a valuable *diagnostic* tool though. I fix a starter to a servicable condition with whatever parts it needs after non-percussive diagnosis. Shame if it's an electro-mechanical fault that can't be diagnosed with a multimeter. A quick tap with a hammer on a starter can diagnose a stuck or worn out brush and/or a bad solenoid according to what 'clicks' or what symptoms change if any. Damn right, it's a valuable diagnostic tool. Good grief, when it comes to electrical diagnosis, a hammer is not necessary. That's all I was on about :-) Shame that you don't use all available tools to your advantage especially when it come to diagnosis because all top tradespeople do. Many a time I have saved someone a lot of bucks by finding the real problem where a mechanic has condemned the starter motor. It would be quite easy to disturb a wiring problem or loose connection whilst flogging away with a hammer. |
hammer. Ofcourse you check everything else first.
I find most mechanics are quite thick
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when it comes to electrics. |
Not saying you are of course Clocky, but
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you know what I mean -- It's the starter motor Lady -- turned out to be the start wire to the solenoid rubbed through and grounded intermittently. Got plenty more examples. |
a tap with a hammer can diagnose an electro-mechanical fault quickly and
easily.
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Like I said, I advised him to check everything else first, but failing that a tap with a hammer can diagnose an electro-mechanical fault quickly and easily. That may be fine for people without the correct gear, but IIRC he did |
is unlikely. You did mention a hammer being a professional diagnostic
tool but failed to mention it being a last resort IIRC.. lots of IIRCs
in this :-)
The last guy I helped was having no luck belting his mothers cars
starter with a hammer. He was a plumber. I told him to behave and stop
hitting it while I went for the meter. Measured the battery under load
and it was flat. Just started with the trusty Lada and it wasn't
charging which turned out to be a failed alternator. Now if people
start with the hammer they could belt the starter all day but it is
very unlikely that it will give in and tell them 'it ain't me, it's
the alternators fault'.
Al
I don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:22:34 +0800, "Clockmeister" no-one (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote: Like I said, I advised him to check everything else first, but failing that a tap with a hammer can diagnose an electro-mechanical fault quickly and easily. That may be fine for people without the correct gear, but IIRC he did say he had a multimeter, whether he knows how to measure voltage drops is unlikely. You did mention a hammer being a professional diagnostic tool but failed to mention it being a last resort IIRC.. lots of IIRCs in this :-) |
"Make sure the park/neutral switch is working properly by wiggling the
selector whilst holding the they to crank to see if there is a response.
If that isn't the problem, it sounds like the starter motor may be U/S but
check the fuses and fuseable links, relays (there may be one for the starter
that you can swap temporarily with the horn one or similar) and check that
the wires to the starter motor are secure, especially the small one.
If there is a relay, you can check for a crank signal input/output pretty
easily with a testlight to confirm that the ignition crank position is
producing an output to the starter via the relay.
Also, have you checked your oil lately and can you turn the motor by
hand/spanner?
Failing that, give the starter motor a solid tap with a hammer and try
again.
Regards,
Clockmeister."
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The last guy I helped was having no luck belting his mothers cars starter with a hammer. He was a plumber. I told him to behave and stop hitting it while I went for the meter. Measured the battery under load and it was flat. Just started with the trusty Lada and it wasn't charging which turned out to be a failed alternator. Now if people start with the hammer they could belt the starter all day but it is very unlikely that it will give in and tell them 'it ain't me, it's the alternators fault'. |
is a valuable diagnostic tool.
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Allow me to quote myself... "Make sure the park/neutral switch is working properly by wiggling the selector whilst holding the they to crank to see if there is a response. If that isn't the problem, it sounds like the starter motor may be U/S but check the fuses and fuseable links, relays (there may be one for the starter that you can swap temporarily with the horn one or similar) and check that the wires to the starter motor are secure, especially the small one. If there is a relay, you can check for a crank signal input/output pretty easily with a testlight to confirm that the ignition crank position is producing an output to the starter via the relay. Also, have you checked your oil lately and can you turn the motor by hand/spanner? Failing that, give the starter motor a solid tap with a hammer and try again. Regards, Clockmeister." |
hammer. It's a bit Neanderthal :-)
hmmm maybe Neanderthals only had clubs, best check that one out.
Al
I don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html
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Allow me to quote myself... "Make sure the park/neutral switch is working properly by wiggling the selector whilst holding the they to crank to see if there is a response. If that isn't the problem, it sounds like the starter motor may be U/S but check the fuses and fuseable links, relays (there may be one for the starter that you can swap temporarily with the horn one or similar) and check that the wires to the starter motor are secure, especially the small one. If there is a relay, you can check for a crank signal input/output pretty easily with a testlight to confirm that the ignition crank position is producing an output to the starter via the relay. Also, have you checked your oil lately and can you turn the motor by hand/spanner? Failing that, give the starter motor a solid tap with a hammer and try again. Regards, Clockmeister." |
hammer. It's a bit Neanderthal :-)
hmmm maybe Neanderthals only had clubs, best check that one out.
******Neandertal not Neanderthal, it doesn't have a h IIRC
Al
I don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:10:37 +0800, "Clockmeister" no-one (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote: Allow me to quote myself... "Make sure the park/neutral switch is working properly by wiggling the selector whilst holding the they to crank to see if there is a response. If that isn't the problem, it sounds like the starter motor may be U/S but check the fuses and fuseable links, relays (there may be one for the starter that you can swap temporarily with the horn one or similar) and check that the wires to the starter motor are secure, especially the small one. If there is a relay, you can check for a crank signal input/output pretty easily with a testlight to confirm that the ignition crank position is producing an output to the starter via the relay. Also, have you checked your oil lately and can you turn the motor by hand/spanner? Failing that, give the starter motor a solid tap with a hammer and try again. Regards, Clockmeister." Well that's sounds fair enough, but I've never had to resort to the hammer. It's a bit Neanderthal :-) hmmm maybe Neanderthals only had clubs, best check that one out. ******Neandertal not Neanderthal, it doesn't have a h IIRC |
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