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Alistair Ross
 
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Default Astra brakes ?? - 04-10-2007 , 05:24 AM






My son has bought a 2 ltr turbo Astra 2001reg (nice car) However he was
concerned about the brakes making a grinding noise when braking hard, so we
change the brake pads (discs look fine) as the old one were low (about 6mm
left) although we could not see any obvious metal to metal contact. So with
new pads fitted and given some time to bed-in I took the car for a brake
test on local disused air field.
Under normal braking the brakes are fine, under heavy (emergency) braking we
are still getting a grinding noise, The ABS takes over and you get that soft
brake pedal effect and the car stops without pulling to any side, by we
still get the grinding noise.

Any ideas????...Thanks



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Default Re: Astra brakes ?? - 04-10-2007 , 05:40 AM







"Alistair Ross" <asr (AT) eng (DOT) cam.ac.uk> wrote

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My son has bought a 2 ltr turbo Astra 2001reg (nice car) However he was
concerned about the brakes making a grinding noise when braking hard, so
we change the brake pads (discs look fine) as the old one were low (about
6mm left) although we could not see any obvious metal to metal contact. So
with new pads fitted and given some time to bed-in I took the car for a
brake test on local disused air field.
Under normal braking the brakes are fine, under heavy (emergency) braking
we are still getting a grinding noise, The ABS takes over and you get that
soft brake pedal effect and the car stops without pulling to any side, by
we still get the grinding noise.

Any ideas????...Thanks


Did you check the pads all around could be them ?




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Default Re: Astra brakes ?? - 04-10-2007 , 06:06 AM




"Alistair Ross" <asr (AT) eng (DOT) cam.ac.uk> wrote

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My son has bought a 2 ltr turbo Astra 2001reg (nice car) However he was
concerned about the brakes making a grinding noise when braking hard, so
we change the brake pads (discs look fine) as the old one were low (about
6mm left) although we could not see any obvious metal to metal contact. So
with new pads fitted and given some time to bed-in I took the car for a
brake test on local disused air field.
Under normal braking the brakes are fine, under heavy (emergency) braking
we are still getting a grinding noise, The ABS takes over and you get that
soft brake pedal effect and the car stops without pulling to any side, by
we still get the grinding noise.

Any ideas????...Thanks

Were they pattern pads ? I had a similar problem on an escort which was
cured by genuine pads. Obviously the discs need to be in good nick




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Default Re: Astra brakes ?? - 04-10-2007 , 06:24 AM



"Alistair Ross" <asr (AT) eng (DOT) cam.ac.uk> wrote

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My son has bought a 2 ltr turbo Astra 2001reg (nice car) However he
was concerned about the brakes making a grinding noise when braking
hard, so we change the brake pads (discs look fine) as the old one
were low (about 6mm left) although we could not see any obvious metal
to metal contact. So with new pads fitted and given some time to
bed-in I took the car for a brake test on local disused air field.
Under normal braking the brakes are fine, under heavy (emergency)
braking we are still getting a grinding noise, The ABS takes over and
you get that soft brake pedal effect and the car stops without pulling
to any side, by we still get the grinding noise.

Any ideas????...Thanks
Could be ABS pump as it kicks in when braking hard. I can't remember
what car it was now but I drove one that made a horrible grinding metal
to metal sound as the ABS pump kicked in. Try temporarily removing the
ABS fuse or disconnect the plug and see what that does.




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Default Re: Astra brakes ?? - 04-10-2007 , 07:07 AM



In article <evfok8$ead$1 (AT) gemini (DOT) csx.cam.ac.uk>,
Alistair Ross <asr (AT) eng (DOT) cam.ac.uk> wrote:
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so we change the brake pads (discs look fine) as the old one were low
(about 6mm left)
That's about half worn.

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*Eschew obfuscation *

Dave Plowman dave (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.


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Default Re: Astra brakes ?? - 04-10-2007 , 07:19 AM




"redwood" <help (AT) nooos (DOT) com> wrote


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Try temporarily removing the ABS fuse
That kills the power steering on these, though. Just a heads up.




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Default Re: Astra brakes ?? - 04-10-2007 , 09:18 AM



On Apr 10, 11:24 am, "Alistair Ross" <a... (AT) eng (DOT) cam.ac.uk> wrote:
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My son has bought a 2 ltr turbo Astra 2001reg (nice car) However he was
concerned about the brakes making a grinding noise when braking hard, so we
change the brake pads (discs look fine) as the old one were low (about 6mm
left) although we could not see any obvious metal to metal contact. So with
new pads fitted and given some time to bed-in I took the car for a brake
test on local disused air field.
Under normal braking the brakes are fine, under heavy (emergency) braking we
are still getting a grinding noise, The ABS takes over and you get that soft
brake pedal effect and the car stops without pulling to any side, by we
still get the grinding noise.

Any ideas????...Thanks

Is it the body kit hitting the ground? :-)

ABS usually make a vibrating sound.




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Default Re: Astra brakes ?? - 04-10-2007 , 10:28 AM




"Alistair Ross" <asr (AT) eng (DOT) cam.ac.uk> wrote

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My son has bought a 2 ltr turbo Astra 2001reg (nice car) However he was
concerned about the brakes making a grinding noise when braking hard, so
we change the brake pads (discs look fine) as the old one were low (about
6mm left) although we could not see any obvious metal to metal contact. So
with new pads fitted and given some time to bed-in I took the car for a
brake test on local disused air field.
Under normal braking the brakes are fine, under heavy (emergency) braking
we are still getting a grinding noise, The ABS takes over and you get that
soft brake pedal effect and the car stops without pulling to any side, by
we still get the grinding noise.

Any ideas????...Thanks
ABS can sound like a grinding noise on some vehicles.
Also I'm sure astra's relied on EBD (Electronic Brakeforce Distributiion)
for the rear brake compensation, which essentially means the ABS on the rear
brakes will kick in under heavy braking.
Provided there's plenty material on all the pads, I wouldn't be too
concerned.




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Mike G
 
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Default Re: Astra brakes ?? - 04-10-2007 , 12:38 PM




"Alistair Ross" <asr (AT) eng (DOT) cam.ac.uk> wrote

Quote:
My son has bought a 2 ltr turbo Astra 2001reg (nice car) However he was
concerned about the brakes making a grinding noise when braking hard, so
we change the brake pads (discs look fine) as the old one were low (about
6mm left)
Pads don't normally need changing until the friction material is around 3mm
thick.

Quote:
although we could not see any obvious metal to metal contact. So with new
pads fitted and given some time to bed-in I took the car for a brake test
on local disused air field.
Under normal braking the brakes are fine, under heavy (emergency) braking
we are still getting a grinding noise, The ABS takes over and you get that
soft brake pedal effect and the car stops without pulling to any side, by
we still get the grinding noise.
You could try filing a lead on the pads to see if it makes any difference,
but failing that I'd suggest replacing the pads and discs with OE ones,
unless you know for certain that they are fitted at present.
If the discs have been replaced by pattern ones, it could be that they are
incompatible with the pads, or vice versa.
Mike.



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Alistair Ross
 
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Default Re: Astra brakes ?? Thanks - 04-11-2007 , 03:29 AM



Thanks to all for your help

We are going to have a blitz on the brakes to try and sort this, as this is
a safety issue we will change all discs, pads fluid etc (relativley cheap to
do) so will not hurt too much. If its still there will check ABS....."now
where did I put my old AVO meter!!"
Will let you know the outcome.....ttfn.....Alistair


"Mike G" <metier (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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"Alistair Ross" <asr (AT) eng (DOT) cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
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My son has bought a 2 ltr turbo Astra 2001reg (nice car) However he was
concerned about the brakes making a grinding noise when braking hard, so
we change the brake pads (discs look fine) as the old one were low (about
6mm left)

Pads don't normally need changing until the friction material is around
3mm thick.

although we could not see any obvious metal to metal contact. So with new
pads fitted and given some time to bed-in I took the car for a brake test
on local disused air field.
Under normal braking the brakes are fine, under heavy (emergency) braking
we are still getting a grinding noise, The ABS takes over and you get
that soft brake pedal effect and the car stops without pulling to any
side, by we still get the grinding noise.

You could try filing a lead on the pads to see if it makes any difference,
but failing that I'd suggest replacing the pads and discs with OE ones,
unless you know for certain that they are fitted at present.
If the discs have been replaced by pattern ones, it could be that they are
incompatible with the pads, or vice versa.
Mike.




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