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Paul Andrews
 
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Default Compression loss - what happenned? - 02-16-2007 , 05:29 PM






I left the trusty old cavalier at my father's house whilst I went on holiday
for 2 weeks. I told him there was no need to drive or run it to charge the
battery. However, when I returned he informed me that he had "run it for a
few minutes to charge the battery", ugh.

When I attempted to start it, it ran for 1 or 2 seconds then stopped. When
cranking it again I could hear there was little or no compression on any
cylinders.

After several more cranking/rest cycles, I could hear compression returning
to one or more cylinders, and eventually there was enough compression for
the engine to start. It ran rough for a minute or so but eventually
returned to normal and has been fine since.

I suspected that condensation from the short period of idling that my father
gave it could have corroded some of the exposed valve stems, causing them
to stick temporarily. is this likely to be the case?

cheers
Paul.

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Duncan Wood
 
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Default Re: Compression loss - what happenned? - 02-16-2007 , 05:42 PM






On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:29:45 -0000, Paul Andrews
<pm.andrews.nospam (AT) here (DOT) btinternet.com> wrote:

Quote:
I left the trusty old cavalier at my father's house whilst I went on
holiday
for 2 weeks. I told him there was no need to drive or run it to charge
the
battery. However, when I returned he informed me that he had "run it for
a
few minutes to charge the battery", ugh.

When I attempted to start it, it ran for 1 or 2 seconds then stopped.
When
cranking it again I could hear there was little or no compression on any
cylinders.

After several more cranking/rest cycles, I could hear compression
returning
to one or more cylinders, and eventually there was enough compression for
the engine to start. It ran rough for a minute or so but eventually
returned to normal and has been fine since.

I suspected that condensation from the short period of idling that my
father
gave it could have corroded some of the exposed valve stems, causing them
to stick temporarily. is this likely to be the case?

cheers
Paul.
Not really, no. More likely all the oils drained out of the hydraulic
lifters.


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Ben C
 
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Default Re: Compression loss - what happenned? - 02-16-2007 , 05:57 PM



On 2007-02-16, Paul Andrews <pm.andrews.nospam (AT) here (DOT) btinternet.com> wrote:
Quote:
I left the trusty old cavalier at my father's house whilst I went on holiday
for 2 weeks. I told him there was no need to drive or run it to charge the
battery. However, when I returned he informed me that he had "run it for a
few minutes to charge the battery", ugh.

When I attempted to start it, it ran for 1 or 2 seconds then stopped. When
cranking it again I could hear there was little or no compression on any
cylinders.

After several more cranking/rest cycles, I could hear compression returning
to one or more cylinders, and eventually there was enough compression for
the engine to start. It ran rough for a minute or so but eventually
returned to normal and has been fine since.

I suspected that condensation from the short period of idling that my father
gave it could have corroded some of the exposed valve stems, causing them
to stick temporarily. is this likely to be the case?
Could it be "bore wash"? The engine gets flooded, and the fuel washes
the oil off the rings, so they don't seal properly. The suggested
solution is to remove the plugs, put a small amount of engine oil
directly into each cylinder, clean the plugs up of course, put them back
and try again.


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Default Re: Compression loss - what happenned? - 02-16-2007 , 06:46 PM



Paul Andrews wrote:

Quote:
After several more cranking/rest cycles, I could hear compression returning
to one or more cylinders,
cheers
Paul.
You can hear compression? Why Granddad what big ears you have!!


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Lin Chung
 
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Default Re: Compression loss - what happenned? - 02-16-2007 , 06:52 PM



Phaeton wrote:
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Paul Andrews wrote:
After several more cranking/rest cycles, I could hear compression
returning to one or more cylinders,
You can hear compression?....

I wondered what that was too!

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Tunku
 
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Default Re: Compression loss - what happenned? - 02-16-2007 , 07:18 PM



"Duncan Wood" <newsto (AT) dmx512 (DOT) co.uk> wrote in newsp.tnu5cyrqyuobwl@lucy:

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Not really, no. More likely all the oils drained out of the hydraulic
lifters.

That was my thought too.

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Default Re: Compression loss - what happenned? - 02-17-2007 , 04:06 AM



Paul Andrews has brought this to us :
Quote:
When I attempted to start it, it ran for 1 or 2 seconds then stopped. When
cranking it again I could hear there was little or no compression on any
cylinders.
You cannot hear the compression. You can hear it cranking faster than
normal, or if you turned the engine over by hand you might hear the
compression leaking away on the compression strokes, but not the
compression or lack of while it is cranking at normal speeds.

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http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk




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Paul Andrews
 
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Default Re: Compression loss - what happenned? - 02-17-2007 , 08:08 AM



Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Quote:
Paul Andrews has brought this to us :
When I attempted to start it, it ran for 1 or 2 seconds then stopped.
When cranking it again I could hear there was little or no compression on
any cylinders.

You cannot hear the compression. You can hear it cranking faster than
normal, or if you turned the engine over by hand you might hear the
compression leaking away on the compression strokes, but not the
compression or lack of while it is cranking at normal speeds.

what I meant was that I could hear the starter motor turning faster than
usual, without the normal speed (and hence sound) variations caused by the
extra load on the starter motor due to compression strokes. Does that make
any sense of my original post, or are people just being pedantic?

Paul.


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Harry Bloomfield
 
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Default Re: Compression loss - what happenned? - 02-17-2007 , 08:25 AM



Paul Andrews wrote on 17/02/2007 :
Quote:
Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Paul Andrews has brought this to us :
When I attempted to start it, it ran for 1 or 2 seconds then stopped.
When cranking it again I could hear there was little or no compression on
any cylinders.

You cannot hear the compression. You can hear it cranking faster than
normal, or if you turned the engine over by hand you might hear the
compression leaking away on the compression strokes, but not the
compression or lack of while it is cranking at normal speeds.

what I meant was that I could hear the starter motor turning faster than
usual, without the normal speed (and hence sound) variations caused by the
extra load on the starter motor due to compression strokes. Does that make
any sense of my original post, or are people just being pedantic?

Paul.
Just trying to be clear on what you actually meant.

Have you checked the cam belt and confirmed it is going round?

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Sandy Nuts
 
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Default Re: Compression loss - what happenned? - 02-17-2007 , 09:23 AM




"Harry Bloomfield" <harry.m1bytNOSPAM (AT) tiscali (DOT) co.uk> wrote

Quote:
Paul Andrews wrote on 17/02/2007 :
Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Paul Andrews has brought this to us :
When I attempted to start it, it ran for 1 or 2 seconds then stopped.
When cranking it again I could hear there was little or no compression
on
any cylinders.

You cannot hear the compression. You can hear it cranking faster than
normal, or if you turned the engine over by hand you might hear the
compression leaking away on the compression strokes, but not the
compression or lack of while it is cranking at normal speeds.

what I meant was that I could hear the starter motor turning faster than
usual, without the normal speed (and hence sound) variations caused by
the
extra load on the starter motor due to compression strokes. Does that
make
any sense of my original post, or are people just being pedantic?

Paul.

Just trying to be clear on what you actually meant.

Have you checked the cam belt and confirmed it is going round?
Well unless it's a self healing belt, I presume it's OK. The OP stated the
car has been fine since.




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