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Adam Aglionby
 
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Default Faulty Fuel - 02-28-2007 , 09:32 AM






This ones going to run..on.. a....bit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6405051.stm

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Default Re: Faulty Fuel - 02-28-2007 , 10:54 AM






Quote:
This ones going to run..on.. a....bit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6405051.stm

Adam
My mum's car is in the garage with the exact symptoms, would the engine
warning light come on though if the oxygen sensor had been damaged? Oxford
area...




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Default Re: Faulty Fuel - 02-28-2007 , 12:03 PM




"History" <yesindeedtomeplease (AT) ohyes (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
This ones going to run..on.. a....bit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6405051.stm

Adam

My mum's car is in the garage with the exact symptoms, would the engine
warning light come on though if the oxygen sensor had been damaged? Oxford
area...
It didn't when I had a faulty sensor on my '94 BMW 525.
AFAIK it 'fine tunes' the fuel/air mixture, which affects the emissions and
fuel consumption.
My car failed the MOT on emissions, but after it was replaced it passed.
The thing is, that there was no noticeable difference in performance,
between before and after.
I can't see faulty Lamdas giving all the problems that have been reported.
Cars failing to start, coughing and spluttering, reverting to 'limp home
mode' etc.
Mike.



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Ian Stirling
 
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Default Re: Faulty Fuel - 02-28-2007 , 12:12 PM



History <yesindeedtomeplease (AT) ohyes (DOT) com> wrote:
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This ones going to run..on.. a....bit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6405051.stm

Adam

My mum's car is in the garage with the exact symptoms, would the engine
warning light come on though if the oxygen sensor had been damaged? Oxford
area...
Almost always.
The O2 sensor determines how much fuel it needs to put in.
If that goes wrong, then once the ECU notices it's faulty, it reduces
the fuel drastically to a 'best guess' at 'lean but will sort of run'.

It's better to be lean than rich, as a rich mixture will rapidly destroy
and overheat the catalyst, maybe even causing more damage to the car.


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Ian Stirling
 
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Default Re: Faulty Fuel - 02-28-2007 , 12:26 PM



Mike G <metier (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
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"History" <yesindeedtomeplease (AT) ohyes (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:wtiFh.20273$mn2.6055 (AT) newsfe7-win (DOT) ntli.net...
This ones going to run..on.. a....bit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6405051.stm

Adam

My mum's car is in the garage with the exact symptoms, would the engine
warning light come on though if the oxygen sensor had been damaged? Oxford
area...

It didn't when I had a faulty sensor on my '94 BMW 525.
AFAIK it 'fine tunes' the fuel/air mixture, which affects the emissions and
fuel consumption.
My car failed the MOT on emissions, but after it was replaced it passed.
The thing is, that there was no noticeable difference in performance,
between before and after.
I can't see faulty Lamdas giving all the problems that have been reported.
Cars failing to start, coughing and spluttering, reverting to 'limp home
mode' etc.
Some cars have multiple oxygen sensors.
Some have ECUs which have the 'default' limp-home mode relatively far
from the normal operating point of the car engine.
Others have it much closer.


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History
 
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Default Re: Faulty Fuel - 02-28-2007 , 02:03 PM



Quote:
My mum's car is in the garage with the exact symptoms, would the engine
warning light come on though if the oxygen sensor had been damaged?
Oxford
area...

It didn't when I had a faulty sensor on my '94 BMW 525.
AFAIK it 'fine tunes' the fuel/air mixture, which affects the emissions
and
fuel consumption.
My car failed the MOT on emissions, but after it was replaced it passed.
The thing is, that there was no noticeable difference in performance,
between before and after.
I can't see faulty Lamdas giving all the problems that have been
reported.
Cars failing to start, coughing and spluttering, reverting to 'limp home
mode' etc.

Well its confirmed, oxygen sensor is clogged. On a related matter my
girlfriend was complaining of a bad smell coming from her car and running
hot few days ago. Hasn't driven it since. Haven't gotten hold of her yet but
my guess, 95% sure is she filled up at the same Tesco my mum did.




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Marvin
 
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Default Re: Faulty Fuel - 02-28-2007 , 04:44 PM



History wrote:
Quote:
My mum's car is in the garage with the exact symptoms, would the engine
warning light come on though if the oxygen sensor had been damaged?
Oxford
area...
It didn't when I had a faulty sensor on my '94 BMW 525.
AFAIK it 'fine tunes' the fuel/air mixture, which affects the emissions
and
fuel consumption.
My car failed the MOT on emissions, but after it was replaced it passed.
The thing is, that there was no noticeable difference in performance,
between before and after.
I can't see faulty Lamdas giving all the problems that have been
reported.
Cars failing to start, coughing and spluttering, reverting to 'limp home
mode' etc.

Well its confirmed, oxygen sensor is clogged. On a related matter my
girlfriend was complaining of a bad smell coming from her car and running
hot few days ago. Hasn't driven it since. Haven't gotten hold of her yet but
my guess, 95% sure is she filled up at the same Tesco my mum did.


BBC news were reporting this afternoon that it was Tesco and Morrisons
outlets that were affected, but they seem to have stopped saying that
now, possibly the Tesco heavy mob lawyers have been in touch. Wouldnt
surprise me if it was a Tesco money saving excersise gone wrong.


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Lin Chung
 
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Default Re: Faulty Fuel - 02-28-2007 , 06:29 PM



Ian Stirling wrote:
Quote:
History wrote:
....would the engine warning light come on though if the oxygen sensor
had been damaged? Oxford area...
Almost always....

As all tests from Tesco on damaged cars, fueling stations, tankers, to fuel
depots are negative so far, the suggestion now turns to the possibility of
petrol having accidentally been contaminated with diesel.

--
Lin Chung.
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Mike G
 
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Default Re: Faulty Fuel - 02-28-2007 , 06:52 PM




"Lin Chung" <lin.chung (AT) the (DOT) Water.Margin.com> wrote

Quote:
Ian Stirling wrote:
History wrote:
....would the engine warning light come on though if the oxygen sensor
had been damaged? Oxford area...
Almost always....


As all tests from Tesco on damaged cars, fueling stations, tankers, to
fuel
depots are negative so far, the suggestion now turns to the possibility of
petrol having accidentally been contaminated with diesel.
It would take quite a large percentage of diesel in petrol to cause the
problems being reported. Especially as it's affected older cars, as well as
those with more sophisticated electronics.
Mike.



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Lin Chung
 
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Default Re: Faulty Fuel - 02-28-2007 , 07:14 PM



Mike G wrote:
Quote:
Lin Chung wrote:
Ian Stirling wrote:
History wrote:
....would the engine warning light come on though if the oxygen
sensor had been damaged? Oxford area...
Almost always....
As all tests from Tesco on damaged cars, fueling stations, tankers, to
fuel depots are negative so far, the suggestion now turns to the
possibility of petrol having accidentally been contaminated with diesel.
It would take quite a large percentage of diesel in petrol to cause the
problems being reported. Especially as it's affected older cars, as well
as those with more sophisticated electronics.


Yes, I am aware of that. That's why it's fascinating. This suggestion was
from an oil man in Manchester interviewed on BBC Radio 4 Ten O'clock News.
Eagerly awaiting further revelation...

--
Lin Chung.
[Paste ntlworld over the Water Margin to send a private e-mail.]





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