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Chris Street
 
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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-29-2005 , 01:56 PM






On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:37:05 +0100, SteveH wrote:

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gazzafield <rufty_tufty_hoolythug (AT) nospam (DOT) thankyou.says_I> wrote:

In theory yes, but in practice, all the Yamaha designed 1.25 / 1.4 / 1.6 /
1.7 Zetec S / SE engines have non dismantle-able bottom ends, so if you have
a bottom end problem (i.e. need to remove the crank) you can't.

I wasn't aware anyone had built an engine like that. It's a bit shit,
innit?

That's very shit for anyone who prefers to run older cars rather than
pay the depreciation on newer ones..... I've never had a crank problem
on a car, but I'd hate to scrap a perfectly good car because some idiot
decided that you never needed to replace crank bearings.
You can replace the big ends IIRC (but don't exchange the bearing caps as
they are matched) and it is also possible looking at it to feed the pistons
up the bores and swap them.

If the crank journals or mains go though it's scrap.


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chas
 
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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-29-2005 , 02:16 PM






Well I have a 2001 Ford Puma Black - owned from new.

Anyone who has read the thread I started about how to cut costs on annual
servicing will see that I'm looking to change this car in the near future as
they are NOT family friendly and we just had twins!

With a disabled relative who is wheelchair bound - getting the wheelchair in
was a performance in itself. The rear seats do fold down but it's more
hassle than a conventional hatchback to do it.

The boot space is very small although quite deep. Your golf clubs would be
more comfortable across the back seat!

The car itself runs like a dream. I have never had any problems other than a
derailed electric window which had to be reset.You can throw this car round
corners etc and it holds the road beautifully. It has the required amount of
'oomph' to whizz past other vehicles quickly on overtaking.

To fill the tank up from empty will cost you about £35ish.

I'm not a techie so cannot talk technicalities but as a very satisfied owner
of one - which I will be very sad to part with - I can say it is a brilliant
little car.

chas




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Huw
 
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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-29-2005 , 02:56 PM




"AstraVanMan" <Peter (AT) Whataloadofforeskinbollocks (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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Google too clever for you, is it? :-P

I have been known to master it - on a good day. ;-)

Never gave Google a thought, to be honest.

It's handy (google groups in particular) as a resource, not only for
reference, but to prevent some people from saying "look it up yourself you
lazy cunt" :-)

I really wanted owner's feedback on Pumas and added the Nikasil question
while I was at it.

However, Nikasil does seem a good reason not to buy a 1.7 Puma (or
several models of BMW, for that matter).

I wouldn't view it as a reason not to buy a Puma - the problem was with
BMW V8s ages back, and the issue was high sulphur fuel, mainly just from
Shell, and mainly just from one refinery somewhere up North (I think),
That is what they would like you to believe. In fact cars all over the UK
and the USA have had the problem. Don't know about mainland Europe. Also
early Jaguar AJV8 4.0 engines had similar problems. At some point Jaguar
decided to fit steel liners and BMW switched to another coating.




and since
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then sulphur levels in fuel have got much lower (particularly from the
refinery or refineries that were causing the 'problem' fuel), plus people
have modified Nikasil liners to cope a bit better. BMW V8s all got their
engines replaced under warranty, if the owners could be bothered to get it
done (free of charge), but I wouldn't worry a tiny little bit about the
Puma in that respect.

Nicasil coated bores do not generally have liners. The process is purely to
lower manufacturing cost by coating the parent metal [aluminium] bores with
a thin hard finish to provide a reasonable life at lowest possible
manufacturing cost. Same goes for the cheap Yamaha engines which are not
even designed for bottom end servicing.
These features are another step towards cars being disposable low
maintenance consumer products which have a finite life at lowest possible
manufacturing cost. Lowest possible cost means lower and more competitive
selling price while maintaining a reasonable profit margin on sales. It is
called 'progress' and realistically it is not all bad.

Huw




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Mike Tomlinson
 
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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-30-2005 , 02:29 AM



In article <dhh09b$ea$1 (AT) box-public-8 (DOT) jet.uk>, mlv <mike.safetycatchvince
nt (AT) jet (DOT) uk> writes

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I really wanted owner's feedback on Pumas and added the Nikasil question
while I was at it.
Chap at work has a late model Puma. I've noticed it's already going
rotten around the rear wheel arches. Can ask him what he thinks of the
car if you like.





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mlv
 
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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-30-2005 , 09:38 AM



Mike Tomlinson wrote:
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Chap at work has a late model Puma. I've noticed it's
already going rotten around the rear wheel arches.
Can ask him what he thinks of the car if you like.
OK, thanks.

Guess he might still like it, even if it is prematurely converting to
ferrous oxide.
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Stu
 
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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-30-2005 , 10:09 AM



Mike Tomlinson <mike (AT) NOSPAM (DOT) jasper.org.uk> wrote in
news:hQZ7A9gxlOPDFwLF (AT) jasper (DOT) org.uk:

Quote:
In article <dhh09b$ea$1 (AT) box-public-8 (DOT) jet.uk>, mlv <mike.safetycatchvince
nt (AT) jet (DOT) uk> writes

I really wanted owner's feedback on Pumas and added the Nikasil question
while I was at it.

Chap at work has a late model Puma. I've noticed it's already going
rotten around the rear wheel arches. Can ask him what he thinks of the
car if you like.



A lot of cars have a kind of lip inside the rear arch that collects dirt.
IME, relatively few car owners bother to clean this out or are even aware
that it exists (some cars, like my Volvo, don't have it because the plastic
liner covers it). I may be wrong, but I believe that this collection of
dirt is the main reason that some modern cars continue to develop rust
there. I always used to wash the dirt out with a hose and my fingers. Might
be worth doing as a preventative measure, if you do go for a Puma.

--
Stuart Sharp


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Alistair J Murray
 
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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 10-01-2005 , 02:27 AM



AstraVanMan wrote:

[...]

Quote:
However, Nikasil does seem a good reason not to buy a 1.7 Puma (or
several models of BMW, for that matter).

I wouldn't view it as a reason not to buy a Puma - the problem was
with BMW V8s ages back,
No reason not to buy a BMW with a Nikasil M60 these days - any with a
problem would be long dead.

Quote:
and the issue was high sulphur fuel, mainly just from Shell, and
mainly just from one refinery somewhere up North (I think), and since
then sulphur levels in fuel have got much lower (particularly from
the refinery or refineries that were causing the 'problem' fuel),
plus people have modified Nikasil liners to cope a bit better.
Problem fuel was largely restricted to NE England and the mid '90s.

Quote:
BMW V8s all got their engines replaced under warranty, if the owners
could be bothered to get it done (free of charge), but I wouldn't
worry a tiny little bit about the Puma in that respect.
New short motors for those that failed a leakdown test - once a block
starts failing it worsens rapidly - no change if not broken.

My 740i had its original Nikasil M60 and was still going strong at 185k
when I sold it. Was going well when I saw near Perth a few weeks ago
too...




A


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Dave Plowman (News)
 
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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 10-01-2005 , 05:33 AM



In article <3q2v88FcnqucU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net>,
Huw <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Quote:
I wouldn't view it as a reason not to buy a Puma - the problem was
with BMW V8s ages back, and the issue was high sulphur fuel, mainly
just from Shell, and mainly just from one refinery somewhere up North
(I think),

That is what they would like you to believe. In fact cars all over the
UK and the USA have had the problem. Don't know about mainland Europe.
Also early Jaguar AJV8 4.0 engines had similar problems. At some point
Jaguar decided to fit steel liners and BMW switched to another coating.
Alusil. Although before that in the USA, they went back to cast iron
blocks for the sixes.

It was my understanding the high sulphur petrol was imported rather than
refined in the UK and only sold through some 'independant' garages and
some supermarkets in the north of England and Ireland

--
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Dave Plowman dave (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk London SW
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john
 
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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 10-01-2005 , 10:33 AM




"Stu" <nobody (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Mike Tomlinson <mike (AT) NOSPAM (DOT) jasper.org.uk> wrote in
news:hQZ7A9gxlOPDFwLF (AT) jasper (DOT) org.uk:

In article <dhh09b$ea$1 (AT) box-public-8 (DOT) jet.uk>, mlv <mike.safetycatchvince
nt (AT) jet (DOT) uk> writes

I really wanted owner's feedback on Pumas and added the Nikasil question
while I was at it.

Chap at work has a late model Puma. I've noticed it's already going
rotten around the rear wheel arches. Can ask him what he thinks of the
car if you like.




A lot of cars have a kind of lip inside the rear arch that collects dirt.
IME, relatively few car owners bother to clean this out or are even aware
that it exists (some cars, like my Volvo, don't have it because the
plastic
liner covers it). I may be wrong, but I believe that this collection of
dirt is the main reason that some modern cars continue to develop rust
there. I always used to wash the dirt out with a hose and my fingers.
Might
be worth doing as a preventative measure, if you do go for a Puma.

--
Stuart Sharp
Yep, my celica has quite a lip on the rear arches - and quite a lot of
accumulated mud.. rust doesn't seem to be an issue with those though....

My old saab 900 had lipless arches which were easy to clean and held off
rust well. Very few rust-traps on that car - quite good for an essentially
60's design.




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Mike G
 
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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 10-02-2005 , 07:16 AM




"john" <jsmith1456 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

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"Stu" <nobody (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:Xns96E1A58D0B50Anobodyhomecom (AT) 216 (DOT) 196.109.144...

A lot of cars have a kind of lip inside the rear arch that collects
dirt.
IME, relatively few car owners bother to clean this out or are even
aware
that it exists (some cars, like my Volvo, don't have it because the
plastic
liner covers it). I may be wrong, but I believe that this collection of
dirt is the main reason that some modern cars continue to develop rust
there. I always used to wash the dirt out with a hose and my fingers.
Might
be worth doing as a preventative measure, if you do go for a Puma.

--
Stuart Sharp

Yep, my celica has quite a lip on the rear arches - and quite a lot of
accumulated mud.. rust doesn't seem to be an issue with those though....
Very true. I have a 1990 Celica GT4. About the only rust it has, is on the
exhaust pipe clamps and bolts. None on the wheel arches or bodywork.
Mike.




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