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Default Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-29-2005 , 07:26 AM






I am thinking of buying a small, nippy car just to get me and my lunchbox to
and from work each day.

I don't do French, so that narrows the field.

Recently I've been looking at a 2002 Puma with the 1.7 engine. How
good/reliable are they? I know it's basically a Fiesta in a different
dress - but most reports I've read have been positive, citing good
performance and excellent handling. Anyone know the 0-60 time?

I think the engine is a Yamaha unit (with variable valve timing). I've also
read of engine problems where the Nikasil cylinder linings have failed.

What is a Nikasil lining? Is it a metal liner (sleeve) pressed into the
aluminium block, or is it some fancy hi-tech plating process that has
failed.

IIRC, a few years ago BMW tried some hi-tech cylinder plating process that
failed because in the UK we have 'too much sulphur' in our petrol.

Any info/comments appreciated.

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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-29-2005 , 07:50 AM






The message <dhgmij$jm6$1 (AT) box-public-8 (DOT) jet.uk>
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What is a Nikasil lining?
Google too clever for you, is it? (insert smiley of choice here).

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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-29-2005 , 09:24 AM



On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:50:44 +0100, Guy King wrote:

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The message <dhgmij$jm6$1 (AT) box-public-8 (DOT) jet.uk
from "mlv" <mike.safetycatchvincent (AT) jet (DOT) uk> contains these words:

What is a Nikasil lining?

Google too clever for you, is it? (insert smiley of choice here).


It should be a very hard wearing liner and has been used in two stroke
engines to good effect. IIRC it does mean that it can't be rebored though.


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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-29-2005 , 09:55 AM




"gazzafield" <rufty_tufty_hoolythug (AT) nospam (DOT) thankyou.says_I> wrote

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:50:44 +0100, Guy King wrote:

The message <dhgmij$jm6$1 (AT) box-public-8 (DOT) jet.uk
from "mlv" <mike.safetycatchvincent (AT) jet (DOT) uk> contains these words:

What is a Nikasil lining?

Google too clever for you, is it? (insert smiley of choice here).



It should be a very hard wearing liner and has been used in two stroke
engines to good effect. IIRC it does mean that it can't be rebored
though.

In theory yes, but in practice, all the Yamaha designed 1.25 / 1.4 / 1.6 /
1.7 Zetec S / SE engines have non dismantle-able bottom ends, so if you have
a bottom end problem (i.e. need to remove the crank) you can't.

Tim..




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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-29-2005 , 10:12 AM



Capering Whittret wrote:
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Google too clever for you, is it? :-P
I have been known to master it - on a good day. ;-)

Never gave Google a thought, to be honest.

I really wanted owner's feedback on Pumas and added the Nikasil question
while I was at it.

However, Nikasil does seem a good reason not to buy a 1.7 Puma (or several
models of BMW, for that matter).
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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-29-2005 , 10:22 AM



On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:55:02 +0000, Tim.. wrote:

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"gazzafield" <rufty_tufty_hoolythug (AT) nospam (DOT) thankyou.says_I> wrote in message
newsan.2005.09.29.14.24.17.446681 (AT) nospam (DOT) thankyou.says_I...
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:50:44 +0100, Guy King wrote:

The message <dhgmij$jm6$1 (AT) box-public-8 (DOT) jet.uk
from "mlv" <mike.safetycatchvincent (AT) jet (DOT) uk> contains these words:

What is a Nikasil lining?

Google too clever for you, is it? (insert smiley of choice here).



It should be a very hard wearing liner and has been used in two stroke
engines to good effect. IIRC it does mean that it can't be rebored
though.

In theory yes, but in practice, all the Yamaha designed 1.25 / 1.4 / 1.6 /
1.7 Zetec S / SE engines have non dismantle-able bottom ends, so if you have
a bottom end problem (i.e. need to remove the crank) you can't.



I wasn't aware anyone had built an engine like that. It's a bit shit,
innit?



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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-29-2005 , 10:23 AM



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Google too clever for you, is it? :-P

I have been known to master it - on a good day. ;-)

Never gave Google a thought, to be honest.
It's handy (google groups in particular) as a resource, not only for
reference, but to prevent some people from saying "look it up yourself you
lazy cunt" :-)

Quote:
I really wanted owner's feedback on Pumas and added the Nikasil question
while I was at it.

However, Nikasil does seem a good reason not to buy a 1.7 Puma (or several
models of BMW, for that matter).
I wouldn't view it as a reason not to buy a Puma - the problem was with BMW
V8s ages back, and the issue was high sulphur fuel, mainly just from Shell,
and mainly just from one refinery somewhere up North (I think), and since
then sulphur levels in fuel have got much lower (particularly from the
refinery or refineries that were causing the 'problem' fuel), plus people
have modified Nikasil liners to cope a bit better. BMW V8s all got their
engines replaced under warranty, if the owners could be bothered to get it
done (free of charge), but I wouldn't worry a tiny little bit about the Puma
in that respect.

Peter




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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-29-2005 , 10:52 AM



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In theory yes, but in practice, all the Yamaha designed 1.25 / 1.4 / 1.6
/ 1.7 Zetec S / SE engines have non dismantle-able bottom ends, so if you
have a bottom end problem (i.e. need to remove the crank) you can't.




I wasn't aware anyone had built an engine like that. It's a bit shit,
innit?
Not if they never go wrong :-)

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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-29-2005 , 11:11 AM



Chris Whelan wrote:
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Not if they never go wrong :-)
Should the design be exclusive to Honda then?
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Default Re: Ford Puma - any good + what is a Nikasil Lining? - 09-29-2005 , 11:37 AM



gazzafield <rufty_tufty_hoolythug (AT) nospam (DOT) thankyou.says_I> wrote:

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In theory yes, but in practice, all the Yamaha designed 1.25 / 1.4 / 1.6 /
1.7 Zetec S / SE engines have non dismantle-able bottom ends, so if you have
a bottom end problem (i.e. need to remove the crank) you can't.

I wasn't aware anyone had built an engine like that. It's a bit shit,
innit?
That's very shit for anyone who prefers to run older cars rather than
pay the depreciation on newer ones..... I've never had a crank problem
on a car, but I'd hate to scrap a perfectly good car because some idiot
decided that you never needed to replace crank bearings.
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