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Default Oil leak - help needed - 10-02-2005 , 07:19 AM






Car is a 1992 Peugeot 205 1.4 GR

Sunday, 02 October 2005 12:43pm

I’ve removed the Upper and Centre timing belt covers.

The area around the camshaft looks dry as a bone, so I was barking up the
wrong tree (having already bought the camshaft oil seal).

The problem now is, I can’t tell where the oil’s coming from. Looking side
on, at the timing belt end, only the front third of the block is oil
stained, and only from about a third of the way down from the top. The
timing belt looks and feels free of oil, and the crankshaft sprocket also
looks dry. The body of the alternator, but not the fan belt, is soaked in
oil.

I’m really perplexed as to where the oil could be coming from.

Anyone any ideas, or know what I can try next.



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Default Re: Oil leak - help needed - 10-02-2005 , 10:28 AM






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Quote:
Car is a 1992 Peugeot 205 1.4 GR

Sunday, 02 October 2005 12:43pm

I’ve removed the Upper and Centre timing belt covers.

The area around the camshaft looks dry as a bone, so I was barking up
the wrong tree (having already bought the camshaft oil seal).

The problem now is, I can’t tell where the oil’s coming from. Looking
side on, at the timing belt end, only the front third of the block is
oil stained, and only from about a third of the way down from the top.
The timing belt looks and feels free of oil, and the crankshaft
sprocket also looks dry. The body of the alternator, but not the fan
belt, is soaked in oil.

I’m really perplexed as to where the oil could be coming from.

Anyone any ideas, or know what I can try next.


Sounds like the rocker cover gasket. It might be an idea to clean off all
the excess oil. Then if you keep a close eye on it, you'll be able to
pinpoint the source of the leak.


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Default Re: Oil leak - help needed - 10-02-2005 , 11:06 AM



Stu wrote:

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Car is a 1992 Peugeot 205 1.4 GR

Sunday, 02 October 2005 12:43pm

I’ve removed the Upper and Centre timing belt covers.

The area around the camshaft looks dry as a bone, so I was barking up
the wrong tree (having already bought the camshaft oil seal).

The problem now is, I can’t tell where the oil’s coming from. Looking
side on, at the timing belt end, only the front third of the block is
oil stained, and only from about a third of the way down from the top.
The timing belt looks and feels free of oil, and the crankshaft
sprocket also looks dry. The body of the alternator, but not the fan
belt, is soaked in oil.

I’m really perplexed as to where the oil could be coming from.

Anyone any ideas, or know what I can try next.


Sounds like the rocker cover gasket. It might be an idea to clean off all
the excess oil. Then if you keep a close eye on it, you'll be able to
pinpoint the source of the leak.

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Stu,

I thought it was coming from the rocker cover, so replaced the gasket 6
months ago. The rubber was very cracked, so it did need replacing, but
it's still leaking.

Any more ideas (anyone)!

I'll go and clean it up anyway, the while.



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Default Re: Oil leak - help needed - 10-02-2005 , 12:45 PM




"Paul S" <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote

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Car is a 1992 Peugeot 205 1.4 GR

Sunday, 02 October 2005 12:43pm

I've removed the Upper and Centre timing belt covers.

The area around the camshaft looks dry as a bone, so I was barking up the
wrong tree (having already bought the camshaft oil seal).

The problem now is, I can't tell where the oil's coming from. Looking side
on, at the timing belt end, only the front third of the block is oil
stained, and only from about a third of the way down from the top. The
timing belt looks and feels free of oil, and the crankshaft sprocket also
looks dry. The body of the alternator, but not the fan belt, is soaked in
oil.

I'm really perplexed as to where the oil could be coming from.

Anyone any ideas, or know what I can try next.

it could be coming from the oil way which is in the cylinder head & mates
with the one on the block, the only cure is a head removal and cylinder head
skim.




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Default Re: Oil leak - help needed - 10-02-2005 , 02:47 PM



In article <43400597$0$49807$ed2e19e4 (AT) ptn-nntp-reader04 (DOT) plus.net>, Paul
S says...
Quote:
Stu wrote:

anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com(Paul S) wrote in
news:433fd042$0$49808$ed2e19e4 (AT) ptn-nntp-reader04 (DOT) plus.net:

Car is a 1992 Peugeot 205 1.4 GR

Sunday, 02 October 2005 12:43pm

I?ve removed the Upper and Centre timing belt covers.

The area around the camshaft looks dry as a bone, so I was barking up
the wrong tree (having already bought the camshaft oil seal).

The problem now is, I can?t tell where the oil?s coming from. Looking
side on, at the timing belt end, only the front third of the block is
oil stained, and only from about a third of the way down from the top.
The timing belt looks and feels free of oil, and the crankshaft
sprocket also looks dry. The body of the alternator, but not the fan
belt, is soaked in oil.

I?m really perplexed as to where the oil could be coming from.

Anyone any ideas, or know what I can try next.


Sounds like the rocker cover gasket. It might be an idea to clean off all
the excess oil. Then if you keep a close eye on it, you'll be able to
pinpoint the source of the leak.


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Stu,

I thought it was coming from the rocker cover, so replaced the gasket 6
months ago. The rubber was very cracked, so it did need replacing, but
it's still leaking.

Any more ideas (anyone)!

Could still be that, especially if you've overtightened the rocker
bolts which will split the gasket.


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Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.


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Default Re: Oil leak - help needed - 10-02-2005 , 03:10 PM



reg wrote:


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"Paul S" <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote in message
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Car is a 1992 Peugeot 205 1.4 GR

Sunday, 02 October 2005 12:43pm

I've removed the Upper and Centre timing belt covers.

The area around the camshaft looks dry as a bone, so I was barking up the
wrong tree (having already bought the camshaft oil seal).

The problem now is, I can't tell where the oil's coming from. Looking side
on, at the timing belt end, only the front third of the block is oil
stained, and only from about a third of the way down from the top. The
timing belt looks and feels free of oil, and the crankshaft sprocket also
looks dry. The body of the alternator, but not the fan belt, is soaked in
oil.

I'm really perplexed as to where the oil could be coming from.

Anyone any ideas, or know what I can try next.

it could be coming from the oil way which is in the
cylinder head & mates with the one on the block, the only > cure is a head
removal and cylinder head
skim.
You could well be right Reg. I've cleaned off as much as I can, but it
really needs steam cleaning, as I can't get to some of the bits behind the
alternator and its wiring.

Your theory would account for oil only showing up at the front of the
engine i.e. not much at the cambelt end, and frankly, if its not coming
from either the camshaft seal, crankshaft seal or from the sump (would'nt
get to the top side of alternator from there), then there's nowhere else
left.

Guess skimming etc would cost £200/£300 ?




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Default Re: Oil leak - help needed - 10-02-2005 , 03:12 PM



Conor wrote:

Quote:
In article <43400597$0$49807$ed2e19e4 (AT) ptn-nntp-reader04 (DOT) plus.net>, Paul
S says...
Stu wrote:

anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com(Paul S) wrote in
news:433fd042$0$49808$ed2e19e4 (AT) ptn-nntp-reader04 (DOT) plus.net:

Car is a 1992 Peugeot 205 1.4 GR

Sunday, 02 October 2005 12:43pm

I?ve removed the Upper and Centre timing belt covers.

The area around the camshaft looks dry as a bone, so I was barking up
the wrong tree (having already bought the camshaft oil seal).

The problem now is, I can?t tell where the oil?s coming from. Looking
side on, at the timing belt end, only the front third of the block is
oil stained, and only from about a third of the way down from the top.
The timing belt looks and feels free of oil, and the crankshaft
sprocket also looks dry. The body of the alternator, but not the fan
belt, is soaked in oil.

I?m really perplexed as to where the oil could be coming from.

Anyone any ideas, or know what I can try next.


Sounds like the rocker cover gasket. It might be an idea to clean off
all
the excess oil. Then if you keep a close eye on it, you'll be able to
pinpoint the source of the leak.


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Stu,

I thought it was coming from the rocker cover, so replaced the gasket 6
months ago. The rubber was very cracked, so it did need replacing, but
it's still leaking.

Any more ideas (anyone)!

Could still be that, especially if you've overtightened the rocker
bolts which will split the gasket.

Quote:
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Conor

"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend and you've never seen
Star Trek? Good Lord!" - Patrick Stewart, Extras.
Conor,

No, it's definetly dry at the top. Thanks anyway.



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Default Re: Oil leak - help needed - 10-02-2005 , 04:11 PM




"Paul S" <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote

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reg wrote:


"Paul S" <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote in message
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Car is a 1992 Peugeot 205 1.4 GR

Sunday, 02 October 2005 12:43pm

I've removed the Upper and Centre timing belt covers.

The area around the camshaft looks dry as a bone, so I was barking up
the
wrong tree (having already bought the camshaft oil seal).

The problem now is, I can't tell where the oil's coming from. Looking
side
on, at the timing belt end, only the front third of the block is oil
stained, and only from about a third of the way down from the top. The
timing belt looks and feels free of oil, and the crankshaft sprocket
also
looks dry. The body of the alternator, but not the fan belt, is soaked
in
oil.

I'm really perplexed as to where the oil could be coming from.

Anyone any ideas, or know what I can try next.

it could be coming from the oil way which is in the
cylinder head & mates with the one on the block, the only > cure is a
head
removal and cylinder head
skim.

You could well be right Reg. I've cleaned off as much as I can, but it
really needs steam cleaning, as I can't get to some of the bits behind the
alternator and its wiring.

Your theory would account for oil only showing up at the front of the
engine i.e. not much at the cambelt end, and frankly, if its not coming
from either the camshaft seal, crankshaft seal or from the sump (would'nt
get to the top side of alternator from there), then there's nowhere else
left.

Guess skimming etc would cost £200/£300 ?

no skimming wont cost you that much, our local engineering company dose just
a skim for about £30, have a ring around your local ones get a rough idea
then, your need a head gasket set & while its off perhaps think about
changing the timing belt.




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Default Re: Oil leak - help needed - 10-02-2005 , 05:40 PM



reg wrote:


Quote:
"Paul S" <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote in message
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reg wrote:


"Paul S" <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote in message
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Car is a 1992 Peugeot 205 1.4 GR

Sunday, 02 October 2005 12:43pm

I've removed the Upper and Centre timing belt covers.

The area around the camshaft looks dry as a bone, so I was barking up
the
wrong tree (having already bought the camshaft oil seal).

The problem now is, I can't tell where the oil's coming from. Looking
side
on, at the timing belt end, only the front third of the block is oil
stained, and only from about a third of the way down from the top. The
timing belt looks and feels free of oil, and the crankshaft sprocket
also
looks dry. The body of the alternator, but not the fan belt, is soaked
in
oil.

I'm really perplexed as to where the oil could be coming from.

Anyone any ideas, or know what I can try next.

it could be coming from the oil way which is in the
cylinder head & mates with the one on the block, the only > cure is a
head
removal and cylinder head
skim.

You could well be right Reg. I've cleaned off as much as I can, but it
really needs steam cleaning, as I can't get to some of the bits behind the
alternator and its wiring.

Your theory would account for oil only showing up at the front of the
engine i.e. not much at the cambelt end, and frankly, if its not coming
from either the camshaft seal, crankshaft seal or from the sump (would'nt
get to the top side of alternator from there), then there's nowhere else
left.

Guess skimming etc would cost £200/£300 ?


no skimming wont cost you that much, our local engineering company dose just
a skim for about £30, have a ring around your local ones get a rough idea
then, your need a head gasket set & while its off perhaps think about
changing the timing belt.
Ooh, er, well, I was'nt thinking of doing it myself. Do both mating
surfaces have to be skimmed ? Not sure I fancy taking every component of
the engine. Seems a bit daunting.
Presume you then fit thicker gaskets to maintain bore height ?

Would £200-£300 be garage cost ?

Assuming it is leaking between the blocks, could that be causing any other
problems, like poor compression ?





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Default Re: Oil leak - help needed - 10-03-2005 , 12:59 PM




"Paul S" <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote

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reg wrote:


"Paul S" <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote in message
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"Paul S" <anybody (AT) anyone (DOT) plus.com> wrote in message
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Car is a 1992 Peugeot 205 1.4 GR

Sunday, 02 October 2005 12:43pm

I've removed the Upper and Centre timing belt covers.

The area around the camshaft looks dry as a bone, so I was barking
up
the
wrong tree (having already bought the camshaft oil seal).

The problem now is, I can't tell where the oil's coming from.
Looking
side
on, at the timing belt end, only the front third of the block is
oil
stained, and only from about a third of the way down from the top.
The
timing belt looks and feels free of oil, and the crankshaft
sprocket
also
looks dry. The body of the alternator, but not the fan belt, is
soaked
in
oil.

I'm really perplexed as to where the oil could be coming from.

Anyone any ideas, or know what I can try next.

it could be coming from the oil way which is in the
cylinder head & mates with the one on the block, the only > cure is
a
head
removal and cylinder head
skim.

You could well be right Reg. I've cleaned off as much as I can, but it
really needs steam cleaning, as I can't get to some of the bits behind
the
alternator and its wiring.

Your theory would account for oil only showing up at the front of the
engine i.e. not much at the cambelt end, and frankly, if its not
coming
from either the camshaft seal, crankshaft seal or from the sump
(would'nt
get to the top side of alternator from there), then there's nowhere
else
left.

Guess skimming etc would cost £200/£300 ?


no skimming wont cost you that much, our local engineering company dose
just
a skim for about £30, have a ring around your local ones get a rough
idea
then, your need a head gasket set & while its off perhaps think about
changing the timing belt.

Ooh, er, well, I was'nt thinking of doing it myself. Do both mating
surfaces have to be skimmed ? Not sure I fancy taking every component of
the engine. Seems a bit daunting.
Presume you then fit thicker gaskets to maintain bore height ?

Would £200-£300 be garage cost ?

Assuming it is leaking between the blocks, could that be causing any other
problems, like poor compression ?

ah, then your prolly looking at £150- £200 ring around first for some
quotes, its only the cylinder head that needs skimming, the block just a
clean up with some emery paper of similar, the gasket isn't that thicker if
any difference at all.




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