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Default Penny for your thoughts? - 04-18-2007 , 09:17 AM






Got into work today. Reversing into place, I completely lost my footing
and instead of applying the brake pedal, I applied the accelerator.

I remember hammering what I thought was the brake, thinking why isn't
the car stopping. All manner of thought, logic, reason and control
ceased as panic set in. Im not proud of it, not excusing it in anyway
shape or form, I am deeply embarrassed and most concerned.

The car went riding up the small embankment at the back, and over the
kerb and pavement. I have no idea how I stopped. I just remembered
tugging on the handbrake.

Apart from grass under the car all over the exhaust, the car looks in
pretty good shape.

The car is a Nissan Primera, 2.0 1994 SGX with Auto box. Now, when I
stick it in drive, I get a horrible grinding sort of cog and teeth
rasping noise.

I thought it may have been the Driveshaft or Exhaust.

Called the RAC out who thought it was the autobox.

This noise is louder inside the car than outside. When the RAC guy
revved it in Drive, I heard no odd noises coming from the engine
compartment. But I did notice a noise coming from under the car when I
stood by the drivers side door.

This makes me even more convinced it could be the exhaust. Plus,
remembering the time when I had loose heat shields, I would only hear a
noise in drive.

Your thoughts as to what this might be would be good.

Thanks
Simon

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Default Re: Penny for your thoughts? - 04-18-2007 , 09:38 AM







"Simon Dean" <sjdean (AT) simtext (DOT) plus.com> wrote

Quote:
Got into work today. Reversing into place, I completely lost my footing
and instead of applying the brake pedal, I applied the accelerator.

I remember hammering what I thought was the brake, thinking why isn't the
car stopping. All manner of thought, logic, reason and control ceased as
panic set in. Im not proud of it, not excusing it in anyway shape or form,
I am deeply embarrassed and most concerned.

The car went riding up the small embankment at the back, and over the kerb
and pavement. I have no idea how I stopped. I just remembered tugging on
the handbrake.

Apart from grass under the car all over the exhaust, the car looks in
pretty good shape.

The car is a Nissan Primera, 2.0 1994 SGX with Auto box. Now, when I stick
it in drive, I get a horrible grinding sort of cog and teeth rasping
noise.

I thought it may have been the Driveshaft or Exhaust.

Called the RAC out who thought it was the autobox.

This noise is louder inside the car than outside. When the RAC guy revved
it in Drive, I heard no odd noises coming from the engine compartment. But
I did notice a noise coming from under the car when I stood by the drivers
side door.

This makes me even more convinced it could be the exhaust. Plus,
remembering the time when I had loose heat shields, I would only hear a
noise in drive.

Your thoughts as to what this might be would be good.

Something physically damaged by contact with the bank would be prime
suspect, and the heat shield could well be it. What happens when you not
only put it in drive, but attempt to drive? Does it move? does the noise get
worse? Is any fluid leaking out? Does it do a full circle in the car park,
both left handed and right handed without anything dropping off? Can you get
the wheels up on the kerb or some kind of ramp to physically check for loose
heat shields etc?

Steve




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Simon Dean
 
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Default Re: Penny for your thoughts? - 04-18-2007 , 09:51 AM



shazzbat wrote:

Quote:
Something physically damaged by contact with the bank would be prime
suspect, and the heat shield could well be it. What happens when you
not only put it in drive, but attempt to drive? Does it move? does
the noise get worse? Is any fluid leaking out? Does it do a full
circle in the car park, both left handed and right handed without
anything dropping off? Can you get the wheels up on the kerb or some
kind of ramp to physically check for loose heat shields etc?

Steve


I can't, but I know a garage who should be able to - put it on the ramp
that is.

It does drive, it just feels and sounds rumbly and grinding, like a
wheel rubbing against a plastic bumper. I can, almost feel it through
the brake pedal too. The noise doesn't get worse as such, just more
constant.

There's no fluid leaking, and RAC guy can't see any physical damage to
anything apart from the grass all along the exhaust.

Cheers
Simon


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Default Re: Penny for your thoughts? - 04-18-2007 , 10:02 AM



Simon Dean <sjdean (AT) simtext (DOT) plus.com> wrote in news:58mpf7F2hg4duU1
@mid.individual.net:

Quote:
shazzbat wrote:


Something physically damaged by contact with the bank would be prime
suspect, and the heat shield could well be it. What happens when you
not only put it in drive, but attempt to drive? Does it move? does
the noise get worse? Is any fluid leaking out? Does it do a full
circle in the car park, both left handed and right handed without
anything dropping off? Can you get the wheels up on the kerb or some
kind of ramp to physically check for loose heat shields etc?

Steve



I can't, but I know a garage who should be able to - put it on the ramp
that is.

It does drive, it just feels and sounds rumbly and grinding, like a
wheel rubbing against a plastic bumper. I can, almost feel it through
the brake pedal too. The noise doesn't get worse as such, just more
constant.

There's no fluid leaking, and RAC guy can't see any physical damage to
anything apart from the grass all along the exhaust.

Cheers
Simon
It may just be plastic hitting a wheel or a driveshaft, inner wing
shields and the like can pop out, mudguards can rub, brake disk shield
bent or has trapped debris off the ground.
And I just have to say "You Twat" :-) in the nicest possible way. There,
but for the grace of god etc. Best thing to do is get it up on a lift for
a good gander.

--
Tunku

"Caution : traces of irony and other metallic objects may be present in
the above post"


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Default Re: Penny for your thoughts? - 04-18-2007 , 10:22 AM



Tunku wrote:
Quote:
Simon Dean <sjdean (AT) simtext (DOT) plus.com> wrote in news:58mpf7F2hg4duU1
@mid.individual.net:

shazzbat wrote:

Something physically damaged by contact with the bank would be prime
suspect, and the heat shield could well be it. What happens when you
not only put it in drive, but attempt to drive? Does it move? does
the noise get worse? Is any fluid leaking out? Does it do a full
circle in the car park, both left handed and right handed without
anything dropping off? Can you get the wheels up on the kerb or some
kind of ramp to physically check for loose heat shields etc?

Steve


I can't, but I know a garage who should be able to - put it on the ramp
that is.

It does drive, it just feels and sounds rumbly and grinding, like a
wheel rubbing against a plastic bumper. I can, almost feel it through
the brake pedal too. The noise doesn't get worse as such, just more
constant.

There's no fluid leaking, and RAC guy can't see any physical damage to
anything apart from the grass all along the exhaust.

Cheers
Simon

It may just be plastic hitting a wheel or a driveshaft, inner wing
shields and the like can pop out, mudguards can rub, brake disk shield
bent or has trapped debris off the ground.
Can't be anything like that. Did I say the "grindy" noise is there when
stationary?

Quote:
And I just have to say "You Twat" :-) in the nicest possible way. There,
but for the grace of god etc. Best thing to do is get it up on a lift for
a good gander.

Yup. No, I deserve that. If I had gone any further, I'd have reversed
into the wall.

HTF did I manage to forget what pedal is which? I feel like I should
really quit driving. That has never happened to me before. Im only 29!


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Tony Brett
 
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Default Re: Penny for your thoughts? - 04-18-2007 , 10:26 AM



Simon Dean wrote:
Quote:
Got into work today. Reversing into place, I completely lost my footing
and instead of applying the brake pedal, I applied the accelerator.
I remember a schoolteacher of mine doing this about 20 years ago, while
going into her garage. She ended up with the garage demolished and
every panel of her car damaged, while the car ended up in her garden.

My advice was to get a manual transmission :-)

Tony



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Default Re: Penny for your thoughts? - 04-18-2007 , 11:45 AM



Simon Dean (sjdean (AT) simtext (DOT) plus.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

Quote:
The car went riding up the small embankment at the back, and over the
kerb and pavement. I have no idea how I stopped. I just remembered
tugging on the handbrake.

Apart from grass under the car all over the exhaust, the car looks in
pretty good shape.

This makes me even more convinced it could be the exhaust. Plus,
remembering the time when I had loose heat shields, I would only hear a
noise in drive.
Considering you've just twatted the exhaust reasonably hard, I don't think
it's a wild guess that you've probably knocked it out of alignment, and
that it may very well be blowing.

Apart from the noise, does the car still drive OK?


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Default Re: Penny for your thoughts? - 04-18-2007 , 12:52 PM




"Simon Dean" <sjdean (AT) simtext (DOT) plus.com> wrote

Quote:
Got into work today. Reversing into place, I completely lost my footing
and instead of applying the brake pedal, I applied the accelerator.

I remember hammering what I thought was the brake, thinking why isn't the
car stopping. All manner of thought, logic, reason and control ceased as
panic set in. Im not proud of it, not excusing it in anyway shape or form,
I am deeply embarrassed and most concerned.

The car went riding up the small embankment at the back, and over the kerb
and pavement. I have no idea how I stopped. I just remembered tugging on
the handbrake.

Apart from grass under the car all over the exhaust, the car looks in
pretty good shape.

The car is a Nissan Primera, 2.0 1994 SGX with Auto box. Now, when I stick
it in drive, I get a horrible grinding sort of cog and teeth rasping
noise.

I thought it may have been the Driveshaft or Exhaust.

Called the RAC out who thought it was the autobox.

This noise is louder inside the car than outside. When the RAC guy revved
it in Drive, I heard no odd noises coming from the engine compartment. But
I did notice a noise coming from under the car when I stood by the drivers
side door.

This makes me even more convinced it could be the exhaust. Plus,
remembering the time when I had loose heat shields, I would only hear a
noise in drive.

Your thoughts as to what this might be would be good.

Thanks
Simon
Best one I did was to lift the body off a landrover with a two post lift, I
didn't allow for the bits I had in the back, it went up and was Ok for a
while, then it overbalanced, fell off backwards, jammed against the doorway
of the garage and nearly killed me, the air filter housing got me on the
head really hard, luckily the arm design stopped the whole lot falling
directly on me, I was leaning over the chassis at the time. Must be the
nearest to fatal accident I have had in the garage.

Local tyre shop jacked up a Merc under the sump and cracked it, then tried
to fob the owner off with a silicone bodge up.

A close relative tried to change his tyre the other day (he is only 17) the
car started to roll forward with it on the jack with the wheel off, he
pulled the handbrake on harder and tried to fit the spare wheel, it
continued to roll and crushed his hand tearing off a fingernail and breaking
some fingers.

I jacked up a van body to remove the entire front end, the van was parked
sideways on a slight slope, it fell downhill, I released the jack and leant
against the van to stop it, in retrospect I should have just let it fall,
luckily no injuries.

Mrcheerful




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Default Re: Penny for your thoughts? - 04-18-2007 , 01:04 PM





"MrCheerful" <nbkm57 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
"Simon Dean" <sjdean (AT) simtext (DOT) plus.com> wrote in message
news:58mnggF2hbq90U1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net...
Got into work today. Reversing into place, I completely lost my footing
and instead of applying the brake pedal, I applied the accelerator.

I remember hammering what I thought was the brake, thinking why isn't the
car stopping. All manner of thought, logic, reason and control ceased as
panic set in. Im not proud of it, not excusing it in anyway shape or
form, I am deeply embarrassed and most concerned.

The car went riding up the small embankment at the back, and over the
kerb and pavement. I have no idea how I stopped. I just remembered
tugging on the handbrake.

Apart from grass under the car all over the exhaust, the car looks in
pretty good shape.

The car is a Nissan Primera, 2.0 1994 SGX with Auto box. Now, when I
stick it in drive, I get a horrible grinding sort of cog and teeth
rasping noise.

I thought it may have been the Driveshaft or Exhaust.

Called the RAC out who thought it was the autobox.

This noise is louder inside the car than outside. When the RAC guy revved
it in Drive, I heard no odd noises coming from the engine compartment.
But I did notice a noise coming from under the car when I stood by the
drivers side door.

This makes me even more convinced it could be the exhaust. Plus,
remembering the time when I had loose heat shields, I would only hear a
noise in drive.

Your thoughts as to what this might be would be good.

Thanks
Simon

Best one I did was to lift the body off a landrover with a two post lift,
I didn't allow for the bits I had in the back, it went up and was Ok for a
while, then it overbalanced, fell off backwards, jammed against the
doorway of the garage and nearly killed me, the air filter housing got me
on the head really hard, luckily the arm design stopped the whole lot
falling directly on me, I was leaning over the chassis at the time. Must
be the nearest to fatal accident I have had in the garage.

Local tyre shop jacked up a Merc under the sump and cracked it, then tried
to fob the owner off with a silicone bodge up.

A close relative tried to change his tyre the other day (he is only 17)
the car started to roll forward with it on the jack with the wheel off, he
pulled the handbrake on harder and tried to fit the spare wheel, it
continued to roll and crushed his hand tearing off a fingernail and
breaking some fingers.

I jacked up a van body to remove the entire front end, the van was parked
sideways on a slight slope, it fell downhill, I released the jack and
leant against the van to stop it, in retrospect I should have just let it
fall, luckily no injuries.

Mrcheerful

hi "MrCheerful",
shouldnt your reply be in the "car going up" thread :-)






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Simon Dean
 
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Default Re: Penny for your thoughts? - 04-18-2007 , 01:06 PM



Adrian wrote:

Quote:
Considering you've just twatted the exhaust reasonably hard, I don't think
it's a wild guess that you've probably knocked it out of alignment, and
that it may very well be blowing.

Apart from the noise, does the car still drive OK?
Well, I've just driven home - 13 miles. Feels lethargic to pull away,
but, that could just be psychosomatic with the noise. Every now and
again it feels like something twangs the underside of the car.

It pulls away rough in first, or second (snow mode), heavy acceleration
is a bit noisy and raspy, but coasting or cruising is fine.

Im really very inclined to trust it is the exhaust. Maybe the cat?

Course, a little bit intrigued to wonder why the RAC guy thought it
might be the flywheel in the autobox. Don't sound right to me that don't.

Cheers
Simon


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