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Re: Slightly OT but I trust you guys... -
04-16-2007
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OK So i wasnt sure where to ask, other than the DVLA, so I thought I'd ask here in case anyone has experience. I passed my test JUST after the changeover where automatic E entitlement on the license was removed. I am used to towing, ive done a fair bit and it "comes naturally" to me. However I have a new dilemma. I now wish to use our large 4x4 to tow a hefty trailer (combined weight of about 4000Kg). Ive been close to this before, and im very cautious but since I am not licensed for it I wont tow it until i have the required license. BUT I cant seem to find anywhere where/how i can add the entitlement to my license - even the DVLA website says to write for more info - no wonder people just drive anyway and risk it. So, assuming I'm fairly competent with a trailer, can reverse it fine etc, what is involved with getting E entitlement added? You get E provisional automatically, but theres no info about what that means, can i drive with an E class vehicle if in the presence of an E qualified driver? Can he teach me, and who do I go to for a test?! Cheers all! |
You have to take a new driving test for that group
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steve robinson proclaimed to uk.rec.cars.maintenance ... You have to take a new driving test for that group Kinda gathered that but where/how/what is involved? |
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steve robinson proclaimed to uk.rec.cars.maintenance ... You have to take a new driving test for that group Kinda gathered that but where/how/what is involved? |
cheers,
clive
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steve robinson proclaimed to uk.rec.cars.maintenance ... You have to take a new driving test for that group Kinda gathered that but where/how/what is involved? Same as a HGV Artic test which is actually a Cat E test. |
First part of the test is done at a HGV test centre. You have to go
through coupling and uncoupling a trailer. You have to then perform a
reversing manouvre which basically involves reversing in a S shape,
avoiding going over a painted line on the drivers side which simulates
a kerb, avoiding a cone placed mid point in the manouvre on the
passenger side, eventually stopping in a marked out box. You are
allowed a couple of shunts to straighten up before reversing into the
box.
Once you've completed this, you'll be taken to another area where you
perform a controlled stop. THATS A CONTROLLED STOP AND NOT AN EMERGENCY
STOP as there is no such thing in a Cat E test. You can actually fail
for stopping too short.
Once you've completed those, you will be taken out for a road test the
same as a normal car test although you'll have to remember to stick to
the limits for a towing vehicle.
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Conor
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........
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Conor proclaimed to uk.rec.cars.maintenance ... In article <osadncCIgbDAEL7bnZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d (AT) bt (DOT) com>, Coyoteboy says... steve robinson proclaimed to uk.rec.cars.maintenance ... You have to take a new driving test for that group Kinda gathered that but where/how/what is involved? Same as a HGV Artic test which is actually a Cat E test. First part of the test is done at a HGV test centre. You have to go through coupling and uncoupling a trailer. You have to then perform a reversing manouvre which basically involves reversing in a S shape, avoiding going over a painted line on the drivers side which simulates a kerb, avoiding a cone placed mid point in the manouvre on the passenger side, eventually stopping in a marked out box. You are allowed a couple of shunts to straighten up before reversing into the box. Once you've completed this, you'll be taken to another area where you perform a controlled stop. THATS A CONTROLLED STOP AND NOT AN EMERGENCY STOP as there is no such thing in a Cat E test. You can actually fail for stopping too short. Once you've completed those, you will be taken out for a road test the same as a normal car test although you'll have to remember to stick to the limits for a towing vehicle. Thanks Conor, that was the kind of info I was looking for  Sounds easyenough, though I'm sure when you try it its harder than it sounds! I'll look into it further, cheers! If you go for lessons, they'll teach you to do the reverse manouvre |
If you decide not to, basically you pull up near to the cone on the NSF
corner. As soon as you start reversing, put full right lock on. When
the trailer has started to turn, reduce the lock making sure you don't
cross the white line to the right. You'll reverse past the cone and
then it's a little left lock to steer it towards the box.
Not sure about the caravan test but on a HGV artic test, you had to
stop the rear of the trailer in the middle of a hatched box. Driver
training schools used to cheat by putting some white tape on the rear
mudflap which, when it lined up with the front of the box when looking
in the rearview mirror, told you the rear of the trailer was where it
needed to be.
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Conor
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........
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Conor proclaimed to uk.rec.cars.maintenance ... In article <osadncCIgbDAEL7bnZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d (AT) bt (DOT) com>, Coyoteboy says... steve robinson proclaimed to uk.rec.cars.maintenance ... You have to take a new driving test for that group Kinda gathered that but where/how/what is involved? Same as a HGV Artic test which is actually a Cat E test. First part of the test is done at a HGV test centre. You have to go through coupling and uncoupling a trailer. You have to then perform a reversing manouvre which basically involves reversing in a S shape, avoiding going over a painted line on the drivers side which simulates a kerb, avoiding a cone placed mid point in the manouvre on the passenger side, eventually stopping in a marked out box. You are allowed a couple of shunts to straighten up before reversing into the box. Once you've completed this, you'll be taken to another area where you perform a controlled stop. THATS A CONTROLLED STOP AND NOT AN EMERGENCY STOP as there is no such thing in a Cat E test. You can actually fail for stopping too short. Once you've completed those, you will be taken out for a road test the same as a normal car test although you'll have to remember to stick to the limits for a towing vehicle. Thanks Conor, that was the kind of info I was looking for Sounds easyenough, though I'm sure when you try it its harder than it sounds! I'll look into it further, cheers! |
with. Oddly enough, the longer the trailer the easier it is to reverse
(up to a point anyway) - short trailers change direction and go off-line
so quickly. Reminds me of my old caravan manoevring competition days!
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asahartz woz ere
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In article <R62dnRO9abZfPb7bRVnyhAA (AT) bt (DOT) com>, Coyoteboy says... Conor proclaimed to uk.rec.cars.maintenance ... In article <osadncCIgbDAEL7bnZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d (AT) bt (DOT) com>, Coyoteboy says... steve robinson proclaimed to uk.rec.cars.maintenance ... You have to take a new driving test for that group Kinda gathered that but where/how/what is involved? Same as a HGV Artic test which is actually a Cat E test. First part of the test is done at a HGV test centre. You have to go through coupling and uncoupling a trailer. You have to then perform a reversing manouvre which basically involves reversing in a S shape, avoiding going over a painted line on the drivers side which simulates a kerb, avoiding a cone placed mid point in the manouvre on the passenger side, eventually stopping in a marked out box. You are allowed a couple of shunts to straighten up before reversing into the box. Once you've completed this, you'll be taken to another area where you perform a controlled stop. THATS A CONTROLLED STOP AND NOT AN EMERGENCY STOP as there is no such thing in a Cat E test. You can actually fail for stopping too short. Once you've completed those, you will be taken out for a road test the same as a normal car test although you'll have to remember to stick to the limits for a towing vehicle. Thanks Conor, that was the kind of info I was looking for Sounds easyenough, though I'm sure when you try it its harder than it sounds! I'll look into it further, cheers! If you go for lessons, they'll teach you to do the reverse manouvre parrot fashion. If you decide not to, basically you pull up near to the cone on the NSF corner. As soon as you start reversing, put full right lock on. When the trailer has started to turn, reduce the lock making sure you don't cross the white line to the right. You'll reverse past the cone and then it's a little left lock to steer it towards the box. Not sure about the caravan test but on a HGV artic test, you had to stop the rear of the trailer in the middle of a hatched box. Driver training schools used to cheat by putting some white tape on the rear mudflap which, when it lined up with the front of the box when looking in the rearview mirror, told you the rear of the trailer was where it needed to be. |
stop in the yellow box, and the cones are positioned depending on the size
of the vehicle/trailer.
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moray proclaimed to uk.rec.cars.maintenance ... "Conor" <conor.turton (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:MPG.208ddbc6e4950dfe98a52c (AT) news (DOT) karoo.co.uk... In article <R62dnRO9abZfPb7bRVnyhAA (AT) bt (DOT) com>, Coyoteboy says... Conor proclaimed to uk.rec.cars.maintenance ... In article <osadncCIgbDAEL7bnZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d (AT) bt (DOT) com>, Coyoteboy says... steve robinson proclaimed to uk.rec.cars.maintenance ... You have to take a new driving test for that group Kinda gathered that but where/how/what is involved? Same as a HGV Artic test which is actually a Cat E test. First part of the test is done at a HGV test centre. You have to go through coupling and uncoupling a trailer. You have to then perform a reversing manouvre which basically involves reversing in a S shape, avoiding going over a painted line on the drivers side which simulates a kerb, avoiding a cone placed mid point in the manouvre on the passenger side, eventually stopping in a marked out box. You are allowed a couple of shunts to straighten up before reversing into the box. Once you've completed this, you'll be taken to another area where you perform a controlled stop. THATS A CONTROLLED STOP AND NOT AN EMERGENCY STOP as there is no such thing in a Cat E test. You can actually fail for stopping too short. Once you've completed those, you will be taken out for a road test the same as a normal car test although you'll have to remember to stick to the limits for a towing vehicle. Thanks Conor, that was the kind of info I was looking for Soundseasy enough, though I'm sure when you try it its harder than it sounds! I'll look into it further, cheers! If you go for lessons, they'll teach you to do the reverse manouvre parrot fashion. If you decide not to, basically you pull up near to the cone on the NSF corner. As soon as you start reversing, put full right lock on. When the trailer has started to turn, reduce the lock making sure you don't cross the white line to the right. You'll reverse past the cone and then it's a little left lock to steer it towards the box. Not sure about the caravan test but on a HGV artic test, you had to stop the rear of the trailer in the middle of a hatched box. Driver training schools used to cheat by putting some white tape on the rear mudflap which, when it lined up with the front of the box when looking in the rearview mirror, told you the rear of the trailer was where it needed to be. Yeah, it's the exact same test as an artic test. Rear of the trailer has to stop in the yellow box, and the cones are positioned depending on the size of the vehicle/trailer. Cheers for the added info. I feel a little more "armed" whenconsidering it now! I could do with doing this so I can help out as currently the only person in the family that can/will tow is my father. Muchos grassy ass |
Normal rules then. Go and find a big empty space & screw it up a few
times. Stop before you screw up the rear bumper & go forwards.
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In article <osadncCIgbDAEL7bnZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d (AT) bt (DOT) com>, Coyoteboy says... steve robinson proclaimed to uk.rec.cars.maintenance ... You have to take a new driving test for that group Kinda gathered that but where/how/what is involved? Same as a HGV Artic test which is actually a Cat E test. First part of the test is done at a HGV test centre. You have to go through coupling and uncoupling a trailer. You have to then perform a reversing manouvre which basically involves reversing in a S shape, avoiding going over a painted line on the drivers side which simulates a kerb, avoiding a cone placed mid point in the manouvre on the passenger side, eventually stopping in a marked out box. You are allowed a couple of shunts to straighten up before reversing into the box. Once you've completed this, you'll be taken to another area where you perform a controlled stop. THATS A CONTROLLED STOP AND NOT AN EMERGENCY STOP as there is no such thing in a Cat E test. You can actually fail for stopping too short. Once you've completed those, you will be taken out for a road test the same as a normal car test although you'll have to remember to stick to the limits for a towing vehicle. |
pretty much anything, would an Artic test do it? I only ask because I have a
recent license and would like to be able to tow big trailers as well as drive
lorrys.
Thanks
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Normal rules then. Go and find a big empty space & screw it up a few times. Stop before you screw up the rear bumper & go forwards. |
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