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Re: Seek info about road tax -
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I don't see the point in having a car with a diesel engine other than cheapskatery. Having owned over 200 cars, and having driven what must easily be 5000 by now, I know what I like and it's not diesel engined. So why didn't you buy the V8 A6? |
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'99 Audi A6 V6 Quattro Avant
"It's an Alfa, it will go wrong, it will piss you off, why should your
Alfa experience be different from everyone else's.
Now get back out there and swear at it before something else breaks."
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We've been through this a million times. Turbo Diesels have very narrow useable torque 'bands', so to get decent progress you have to change gear a lot. |
unlike a petrol car, when overtaking one merely has to plant down the
right foot and take advantage of the far better torque that's delivered
lower down.
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Of course, if you're an inexperienced driver you're not going to know what is good and what is hype. I doubt you'd call me inexperienced. My Mondeo 2L TDCi 130 has better |
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Having owned over 200 cars, and having driven what must easily be 5000 by now, I know what I like and it's not diesel engined. |
be disappointed. Drive it as its supposed to be and you won't.
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In article <hbvust$tln$1 (AT) news (DOT) eternal-september.org>, Pete M says... We've been through this a million times. Turbo Diesels have very narrow useable torque 'bands', so to get decent progress you have to change gear a lot. No you don't as they're geared taller to compensate/take advantage. Also unlike a petrol car, when overtaking one merely has to plant down the right foot and take advantage of the far better torque that's delivered lower down. |
They're quick if the turbo is already spooled up, they're slow if you
have to wait for the turbo to get going. Hence my comment earlier about
auto turbo diesels being a bit less horrible to drive than the manual ones.
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Having owned over 200 cars, and having driven what must easily be 5000 by now, I know what I like and it's not diesel engined. Depends. If you drive it like a petrol, like my wife drives mine, you'll be disappointed. Drive it as its supposed to be and you won't. |
*cannot* physically provide this. So I don't like them.
I've done plenty of miles in TDCi Mondeos and other diesels, I know how
to get the best out of them, but their best isn't as good as a good
petrol. They're adequate. Not bad, but not as enjoyable as a petrol.
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'62 Rover P4 100
'61 Rover P5 3 litre
'78 Escort 1300 Sport
'99 Audi A6 V6 Quattro Avant
"It's an Alfa, it will go wrong, it will piss you off, why should your
Alfa experience be different from everyone else's.
Now get back out there and swear at it before something else breaks."
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In a diesel you plant the right foot and wait for something to happen. They're quick if the turbo is already spooled up, they're slow if you have to wait for the turbo to get going. |
installed to spool up at quite low revs. Lag shouldn't be an issue
unless the car manufacturer has chosen not to eliminate it. IIRC, some
petrol turbo cars in the past had unfortunate amounts of turbo lag so
this wasn't only a diesel issue.
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Zathras wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:39:40 +0100, Pete M pete.murray (AT) SPAMFREEblueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Zathras wrote: What's wrong with any of them other than the x35d often being attached to an auto box? They're diesels. Sorry I don't understand. Taking a middle of the road variant from my list, what's wrong with the engine in a 2009 330d? Too slow? Too noisy? Too smoky? Too unrefined? (And auto transmission is quite often the only way to make diesels almost tolerable, don't have to row the autos along with the gearlever..) Why would you 'row' a 2009 330d? With the available performance, it's trivial to block change and chop the rowing by half. I do concede that 6 gears is nonsense for that engine and can lead to rowing if you're an unskilled driver who doesn't block shift. We've been through this a million times. Turbo Diesels have very narrow useable torque 'bands', so |
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to get decent progress you have to change gear a lot. |
changes in *that* time or is that not decent progress?
50-75 in 4th is 4.8s. Who needs an auto?
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In the better modern turbodieseasels with their 7 speed autoboxes diesels inherent and unavoidable drawbacks are not as obvious they are in a manual diesel. The apologists who go on about modern car diesel engines having loads of torque obviously haven't driven anything that has proper 'always available' torque. |
more 'available' do you want?
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Try a Bentley Turbo R back to back with a Merc diesel |
comparison sounds a bit too much like apples and oranges.
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and you'll be shocked at how agricultural the diesel engines power delivery is - even compared to a 20 odd year old petrol. |
either so I don't see the use of that argument.
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Of course, if you're an inexperienced driver you're not going to know what is good and what is hype. |
wrong with the diesel engine in a 2009 330d because it doesn't appear,
to me, to have a narrow torque band.
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I don't see the point in having a car with a diesel engine other than cheapskatery. |
roads we have today. Others may value their lower emissions.
With more turbo petrol cars coming along, admittedly, the choice is
getting better but it hasn't always been that way unless you wanted a
Saab or an ugly Group 20 car.
However, if the point is about not being able to afford the car I
really want then..yes I can't afford an Enzo. That doesn't make me a
cheapskate - just skint, surely?
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Having owned over 200 cars, and having driven what must easily be 5000 by now, I know what I like and it's not diesel engined. |
thinking about what you say and can't help thinking "Eh? What's he
basing his claims on - it certainly can't be something like this?".
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Try a Bentley Turbo R back to back with a Merc diesel A Bentley! Not even knowing which Merc you're comparing it too, that comparison sounds a bit too much like apples and oranges. and you'll be shocked at how agricultural the diesel engines power delivery is - even compared to a 20 odd year old petrol. But I dare say a lot of petrols don't compare well with that motor either so I don't see the use of that argument. IME, even the Audi's that used the same v8 lump as the Rolls Royce and |
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I've done plenty of miles in TDCi Mondeos and other diesels, I know how to get the best out of them, but their best isn't as good as a good petrol. They're adequate. Not bad, but not as enjoyable as a petrol. |
Give me a turbo-diesel any time. They are easier to drive, more relaxing
and more reliable than any petrol offering from anyone, RR/Bentley
included.
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Give me a turbo-diesel any time. They are easier to drive, more relaxing and more reliable than any petrol offering from anyone, RR/Bentley included. |
I think to some extent the "petrol/diesel" and "manual/auto" arguments
depend on the type of driver you are, and the sort of driving you do.
There are some days when an auto-diesel is great for a lazy, relaxing
drive; other times I much prefer a petrol.
Chris
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IME, even the Audi's that used the same v8 lump as the Rolls Royce and Bentley didn't drive as smoothly as the Crewe built stuff. |
Bentley use a VAG lump - but it's a V10 and has never been near a R-R
badge.
The old R-R/Bentley pushrod v8 might owe a chunk to Chrysler, but was
never used in an Audi - or anything else.
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There are some days when an auto-diesel is great for a lazy, relaxing drive; other times I much prefer a petrol. |
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