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Re: VTEC reliability... -
04-14-2007
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David Taylor (davidt-news (AT) yadt (DOT) co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : On an old Top gear that was on the other night, Jeremy Clarkson was saying that Honda's variable timing kit is so reliable that they have *never* had a failure ascribed to it. Any truth in that rumour? Back when the first (L-reg?) Civic VTis were in the UK, there were a couple as CoCars where I was working at the time. One had had a stone-holed rad and been a little bit overheated. Thereafter, it spent roughly 50% of it's time in dock. Whether that counts as a failure "ascribed" to the VVT, gawd knows - but it was one of the things that gave all sorts of shit. Quite why Honda didn't just lob a new lump in it, gawd knows. I'd reckon a problem caused by overheating due to a hole in the radiator is rather unlikely to be ascribed to VVT, don't you? I'd reckon that an engine that can be so utterly fucked by _only_ a stone- damaged rad is not to be held up as a paragon of reliability. |
Care to suggest an engine that can't be?
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On an old Top gear that was on the other night, Jeremy Clarkson was saying that Honda's variable timing kit is so reliable that they have *never* had a failure ascribed to it. Any truth in that rumour? Back when the first (L-reg?) Civic VTis were in the UK, there were a couple as CoCars where I was working at the time. One had had a stone-holed rad and been a little bit overheated. Thereafter, it spent roughly 50% of it's time in dock. Whether that counts as a failure "ascribed" to the VVT, gawd knows - but it was one of the things that gave all sorts of shit. Quite why Honda didn't just lob a new lump in it, gawd knows. I'd reckon a problem caused by overheating due to a hole in the radiator is rather unlikely to be ascribed to VVT, don't you? I'd reckon that an engine that can be so utterly fucked by _only_ a stone-damaged rad is not to be held up as a paragon of reliability. Care to suggest an engine that can't be? |
It wasn't utterly cooked - it was a case of "Oh, it's getting a bit warm -
better stop - bugger, some steam from the rad."
My XM burst a couple of hoses a month or two back - petrol turbo - it'd
been towing a loaded trailer through London traffic - I stopped, started to
unload, and as the static temp rose the front suddenly disappeared behind a
cloud of steam.
It's fine.
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Duncan Wood (newsto (AT) dmx512 (DOT) co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : On an old Top gear that was on the other night, Jeremy Clarkson was saying that Honda's variable timing kit is so reliable that they have *never* had a failure ascribed to it. Any truth in that rumour? Back when the first (L-reg?) Civic VTis were in the UK, there were a couple as CoCars where I was working at the time. One had had a stone-holed rad and been a little bit overheated. Thereafter, it spent roughly 50% of it's time in dock. Whether that counts as a failure "ascribed" to the VVT, gawd knows - but it was one of the things that gave all sorts of shit. Quite why Honda didn't just lob a new lump in it, gawd knows. I'd reckon a problem caused by overheating due to a hole in the radiator is rather unlikely to be ascribed to VVT, don't you? I'd reckon that an engine that can be so utterly fucked by _only_ a stone-damaged rad is not to be held up as a paragon of reliability. Care to suggest an engine that can't be? The majority. It wasn't utterly cooked - it was a case of "Oh, it's getting a bit warm - better stop - bugger, some steam from the rad." My XM burst a couple of hoses a month or two back - petrol turbo - it'd been towing a loaded trailer through London traffic - I stopped, started to unload, and as the static temp rose the front suddenly disappeared behind a cloud of steam. It's fine. |
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I'd reckon that an engine that can be so utterly fucked by _only_ a stone- damaged rad is not to be held up as a paragon of reliability. Care to suggest an engine that can't be? |
cylinders every other firing stroke, then eventually stop the engine
altogether if temperature continues to rise?
Chris
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I'd reckon that an engine that can be so utterly fucked by _only_ a stone- damaged rad is not to be held up as a paragon of reliability. Care to suggest an engine that can't be? Ones that have an ECU sensible enough to shut down alternate pairs of cylinders every other firing stroke, then eventually stop the engine altogether if temperature continues to rise? |
Ahha but isn't that because the engine would cook itself if it didn't?
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David Taylor (davidt-news (AT) yadt (DOT) co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : On an old Top gear that was on the other night, Jeremy Clarkson was saying that Honda's variable timing kit is so reliable that they have *never* had a failure ascribed to it. Any truth in that rumour? Back when the first (L-reg?) Civic VTis were in the UK, there were a couple as CoCars where I was working at the time. One had had a stone-holed rad and been a little bit overheated. Thereafter, it spent roughly 50% of it's time in dock. Whether that counts as a failure "ascribed" to the VVT, gawd knows - but it was one of the things that gave all sorts of shit. Quite why Honda didn't just lob a new lump in it, gawd knows. I'd reckon a problem caused by overheating due to a hole in the radiator is rather unlikely to be ascribed to VVT, don't you? I'd reckon that an engine that can be so utterly fucked by _only_ a stone- damaged rad is not to be held up as a paragon of reliability. |
warning lights.
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:25:39 +0100, Adrian <toomany2cvs (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: David Taylor (davidt-news (AT) yadt (DOT) co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : On an old Top gear that was on the other night, Jeremy Clarkson was saying that Honda's variable timing kit is so reliable that they have *never* had a failure ascribed to it. Any truth in that rumour? Back when the first (L-reg?) Civic VTis were in the UK, there were a couple as CoCars where I was working at the time. One had had a stone-holed rad and been a little bit overheated. Thereafter, it spent roughly 50% of it's time in dock. Whether that counts as a failure "ascribed" to the VVT, gawd knows - but it was one of the things that gave all sorts of shit. Quite why Honda didn't just lob a new lump in it, gawd knows. I'd reckon a problem caused by overheating due to a hole in the radiator is rather unlikely to be ascribed to VVT, don't you? I'd reckon that an engine that can be so utterly fucked by _only_ a stone- damaged rad is not to be held up as a paragon of reliability. Care to suggest an engine that can't be? |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:36:15 +0100, "Duncan Wood" newsto (AT) dmx512 (DOT) co.uk> wrote: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:25:39 +0100, Adrian <toomany2cvs (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: David Taylor (davidt-news (AT) yadt (DOT) co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : On an old Top gear that was on the other night, Jeremy Clarkson was saying that Honda's variable timing kit is so reliable that they have *never* had a failure ascribed to it. Any truth in that rumour? Back when the first (L-reg?) Civic VTis were in the UK, there were a couple as CoCars where I was working at the time. One had had a stone-holed rad and been a little bit overheated. Thereafter, it spent roughly 50% of it's time in dock. Whether that counts as a failure "ascribed" to the VVT, gawd knows - but it was one of the things that gave all sorts of shit. Quite why Honda didn't just lob a new lump in it, gawd knows. I'd reckon a problem caused by overheating due to a hole in the radiator is rather unlikely to be ascribed to VVT, don't you? I'd reckon that an engine that can be so utterly fucked by _only_ a stone- damaged rad is not to be held up as a paragon of reliability. Care to suggest an engine that can't be? 2CV? |
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Duncan Wood (newsto (AT) dmx512 (DOT) co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like I'd reckon that an engine that can be so utterly fucked by _only_ a stone-damaged rad is not to be held up as a paragon of reliability. Care to suggest an engine that can't be? The majority. It wasn't utterly cooked - it was a case of "Oh, it's getting a bit warm - better stop - bugger, some steam from the rad." |
since it was only a month or two from the scrapheap.
On a longish trip home, the leak became a spurt and it ran dry. Since the
temp gauge was erratic, the first I knew was when it started missing and
sputtering, then died. Late on a Sunday night in the middle of nowhere
useful, obviously.
I rolled to a stop, waited for it to cool down, then used the water I always
carried to top up and carried on.
Between stopping to refill the water container at every opportunity and
occasionally stopping because, well, it stopped, I did 50 miles with about
six engine failures.
Got home, siliconed the leak, and carried on using it for about another 1500
miles before it went to the great scrapheap in the sky. No problems.
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Adrian wrote: Duncan Wood (newsto (AT) dmx512 (DOT) co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like I'd reckon that an engine that can be so utterly fucked by _only_ a stone-damaged rad is not to be held up as a paragon of reliability. Care to suggest an engine that can't be? The majority. It wasn't utterly cooked - it was a case of "Oh, it's getting a bit warm - better stop - bugger, some steam from the rad." My old Nissan Bluebird had a leaky radiator which I didn't bother to fix since it was only a month or two from the scrapheap. On a longish trip home, the leak became a spurt and it ran dry. Since the temp gauge was erratic, the first I knew was when it started missing and sputtering, then died. Late on a Sunday night in the middle of nowhere useful, obviously. I rolled to a stop, waited for it to cool down, then used the water I always carried to top up and carried on. Between stopping to refill the water container at every opportunity and occasionally stopping because, well, it stopped, I did 50 miles with about six engine failures. Got home, siliconed the leak, and carried on using it for about another 1500 miles before it went to the great scrapheap in the sky. No problems. |
These stories are not as rare as you might think, but the difference between
your good self and the majority of people out there is you knew how to keep
going and didn't do one of the two extremes:
One, ring the RAC and be mugged / stabbed whilst waiting.
Two, continue without the water regardless.
You had anticipated the problem, thus, did something about it. The majority
of people treat their car mechanics as though they treat their driving - no
acceptation whatsoever other than breakdown / insurance.
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