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Default Re: Aaargh Samba's - part 2 - 05-15-2007 , 04:49 PM







"SteveH" <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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David Lane <aswb58NOSPAMTAVERYMUCH (AT) dsl (DOT) pipex.com> wrote:

Assuming it does...... then surely an Mi-16 would be the way forward.
On
carbs.

It would be the biggest laugh you've ever had, too.

True. I'm waiting until it's looked at on Thursday to make the decision.

The brakes are proving cheaper to do than I thought (about £150 for the
whole lot of calipers, discs, pads, hoses and shoes) plus I've picked up
some front shock absorbers for £20 rather than the £300 I was quoted. So
it's looking better.

Any ideas on the cost of an Mi-16 engine? (I was thinking of this)

Fuck-all - if you find a written off, or MOT fail 405 Mi-16, it'll be
worth under £100. Buy the car, rip out engine and box, then weigh it in.

Heh, good luck! The 205 boys love to get their hands on a complete car!
The main reason BX 16v prices have been pushed up so much - a Pugger will
pay £300 for a shagged car as long as the engine works!

Besides it's the wrong family of engine for the Samba




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Default Re: Aaargh Samba's - part 2 - 05-15-2007 , 04:55 PM







"SteveH" <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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David Lane <aswb58NOSPAMTAVERYMUCH (AT) dsl (DOT) pipex.com> wrote:

I've been off the web for a few days due to a new PC - thanks Vista.

Since then ...

- no response from the seller of the Samba. So he's had a neg and a
report
to VOSA. I've also not received the V5 so I a) feel like driving through
lots of speed cameras or b) contacting the DVLA.

- The Samba's broken down. The oil light came on and it looks like a) an
oil
pump or b) head gasket.

So I now need an oil pump for a Peugoet TU type 1.4 engine.

On the good side I've done about 1500 trouble-free miles before this,
mostly
with the top down. I've also managed to source most of the
brake/suspension
parts very cheaply, so the repairs are looking more positive.

So long as the engine's OK.

And if it isn't - would a 1.6/1.9 from a 205 GTi fit? Particularly as the
chassis is the same.

Assuming it does...... then surely an Mi-16 would be the way forward. On
carbs.

It would be the biggest laugh you've ever had, too.


It would probably fit, but it wouldn't mate up to anything in there at the
moment. Mi16 and the 205/309 GTi engines are from the XU family.

Ideal engine tranplant would be a 106GTi engine (or Saxo VTS) - 120bhp of
16v reviness. Or if you could find one the 1.3 Rallye engine - 100bhp and
even more reviness.

What engine is in it at the mo then? A 60bhp 1.4 TU at a guess? If so then
a slightly more common and cheaper upgrade might be a 106 1.4 MPi engine
(100bhp) or if you can't be arsed with wiring in EFI then a 85bhp 205 XS
engine. Plenty of options out there!




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Default Re: Aaargh Samba's - part 2 - 05-15-2007 , 05:33 PM




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Ideal engine tranplant would be a 106GTi engine (or Saxo VTS) - 120bhp of
16v reviness. Or if you could find one the 1.3 Rallye engine - 100bhp and
even more reviness.

What engine is in it at the mo then? A 60bhp 1.4 TU at a guess?
Currently a 72bhp 1360cc TU (single carb), although I've looked at how easy
it is to fit the twin-carb setup giving 80bhp

Quote:
If so then a slightly more common and cheaper upgrade might be a 106 1.4
MPi engine (100bhp) or if you can't be arsed with wiring in EFI then a
85bhp 205 XS engine. Plenty of options out there!
A bit less power than I would probably be hoping for.

The issue may be with the fact that the gearbox is in the sump in a TU
engine, which made me wonder if a complete transplant was possible.

David



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Carl Gibbs
 
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Default Re: Aaargh Samba's - part 2 - 05-16-2007 , 01:34 AM




"David Lane" <aswb58NOSPAMTAVERYMUCH (AT) dsl (DOT) pipex.com> wrote

Quote:

Ideal engine tranplant would be a 106GTi engine (or Saxo VTS) - 120bhp of
16v reviness. Or if you could find one the 1.3 Rallye engine - 100bhp
and even more reviness.

What engine is in it at the mo then? A 60bhp 1.4 TU at a guess?

Currently a 72bhp 1360cc TU (single carb), although I've looked at how
easy it is to fit the twin-carb setup giving 80bhp

If so then a slightly more common and cheaper upgrade might be a 106 1.4
MPi engine (100bhp) or if you can't be arsed with wiring in EFI then a
85bhp 205 XS engine. Plenty of options out there!

A bit less power than I would probably be hoping for.
The 106 GTi engine would be huge amounts of fun. More power than that and
you'd need to consider lots of strengthening I'd imagine. But.....
Quote:
The issue may be with the fact that the gearbox is in the sump in a TU
engine, which made me wonder if a complete transplant was possible.
That's not a TU engine then. That's the old XY (?) engine as fitted to the
early 205s. In that case I'm not sure a TU engine would fit straight in as
I assume all the mounts would be different, an as you say the gearbox is in
the sump. The 80bhp 205 XS engine/carbs is probably the best bolt in
replacement AFAIK.




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Abo
 
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Default Re: Aaargh Samba's - part 2 - 05-16-2007 , 02:26 AM



Pete M wrote:
Quote:
In news:1hy6arg.ko7hio4pz035N%steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk,
SteveH <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wittered on forthwith;
Pete M <pete.murray (AT) bogoffwithzepressedmeatblueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

In news:1hy69h4.86121xqwofq1N%steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk,
SteveH <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wittered on forthwith;
David Lane <aswb58NOSPAMTAVERYMUCH (AT) dsl (DOT) pipex.com> wrote:

Assuming it does...... then surely an Mi-16 would be the way
forward. On carbs.

It would be the biggest laugh you've ever had, too.
True. I'm waiting until it's looked at on Thursday to make the
decision.

The brakes are proving cheaper to do than I thought (about £150 for
the whole lot of calipers, discs, pads, hoses and shoes) plus I've
picked up some front shock absorbers for £20 rather than the £300 I
was quoted. So it's looking better.

Any ideas on the cost of an Mi-16 engine? (I was thinking of this)
Fuck-all - if you find a written off, or MOT fail 405 Mi-16, it'll
be worth under £100. Buy the car, rip out engine and box, then
weigh it in.
A written off / MOT fail 405 Mi-16 isn't an easy thing to buy for
under a ton. The engine alone is very sought after.
Maybe.

Last bare engine sold for £250 on ebay.

Engines still in cars tend to fetch less.

You may well be right, but I'm sure something could be found for not a
lot of cash.

thing about the 405 is if you buy the complete car you get the brain, the
gearbox and lots of other goodies that weren't exactly thick on the ground.
You've also got the Mi-16 owners who tend to buy them for things like the
rear suspension spheres / pump etc so they fetch good money.

Quite a few have nice interiors as well, most have decent alloys.

You don't need the brain etc.; run it on '45's or '48's and use an
aftermarket ignition...

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Default Re: Aaargh Samba's - part 2 - 05-16-2007 , 02:28 AM



Carl Gibbs wrote:

Quote:
Ideal engine tranplant would be a 106GTi engine (or Saxo VTS) - 120bhp of
16v reviness. Or if you could find one the 1.3 Rallye engine - 100bhp and
even more reviness.
*surely* there must be plenty of crashed VTSs out there?

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Pete M
 
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Default Re: Aaargh Samba's - part 2 - 05-16-2007 , 09:25 AM



In news:2ny2i.4653$o42.907 (AT) newsfe3-win (DOT) ntli.net,
Abo <no (AT) spam (DOT) thanks> wittered on forthwith;
Quote:
Pete M wrote:
In news:1hy6arg.ko7hio4pz035N%steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk,
SteveH <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wittered on forthwith;
Pete M <pete.murray (AT) bogoffwithzepressedmeatblueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

In news:1hy69h4.86121xqwofq1N%steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk,
SteveH <steve (AT) italiancar (DOT) co.uk> wittered on forthwith;
David Lane <aswb58NOSPAMTAVERYMUCH (AT) dsl (DOT) pipex.com> wrote:

Assuming it does...... then surely an Mi-16 would be the way
forward. On carbs.

It would be the biggest laugh you've ever had, too.
True. I'm waiting until it's looked at on Thursday to make the
decision.

The brakes are proving cheaper to do than I thought (about £150
for the whole lot of calipers, discs, pads, hoses and shoes)
plus I've picked up some front shock absorbers for £20 rather
than the £300 I was quoted. So it's looking better.

Any ideas on the cost of an Mi-16 engine? (I was thinking of
this)
Fuck-all - if you find a written off, or MOT fail 405 Mi-16, it'll
be worth under £100. Buy the car, rip out engine and box, then
weigh it in.
A written off / MOT fail 405 Mi-16 isn't an easy thing to buy for
under a ton. The engine alone is very sought after.
Maybe.

Last bare engine sold for £250 on ebay.

Engines still in cars tend to fetch less.

You may well be right, but I'm sure something could be found for
not a lot of cash.

thing about the 405 is if you buy the complete car you get the
brain, the gearbox and lots of other goodies that weren't exactly
thick on the ground. You've also got the Mi-16 owners who tend to
buy them for things like the rear suspension spheres / pump etc so
they fetch good money. Quite a few have nice interiors as well, most have
decent alloys.

You don't need the brain etc.; run it on '45's or '48's and use an
aftermarket ignition...
True, but there are still people who prefer to use the brain, or can't
afford the Webers.


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Default Re: Aaargh Samba's - part 2 - 05-16-2007 , 11:05 AM




"Abo" <no (AT) spam (DOT) thanks> wrote

Quote:
Carl Gibbs wrote:

Ideal engine tranplant would be a 106GTi engine (or Saxo VTS) - 120bhp of
16v reviness. Or if you could find one the 1.3 Rallye engine - 100bhp
and even more reviness.

*surely* there must be plenty of crashed VTSs out there?

I dunno, all the chavs round here have the VTRs! Couldn't afford the VTSs
I'd assume




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