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Re: cheap fuels -
01-31-2007
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"Abo" <no (AT) spam (DOT) thanks> wrote Burgerman wrote: We know that kerosine as used by heating systems is 28 / 30p per litre and looks smells and burns like diesel but its fractionally thinner and may be better with say 100 to 1 cheap 2 stroke oil added for peace of mind more than anything else so you can get reasonably cheap fuel that cant be distinguished from pump fuel in an easy way. Inspired by your Kero idea, I've been on the phone to a local supplier; they can supply a 500l tank for £400; they're sending my some stuff out in the post so I can have a read. They also do a 'premium' Kero which has additives in to prevent rusting etc. It'll help mainly in the storage tank but I'm sure someone mentioned problems when in the fuel system? -- Premium kero? Never heard of that! Never saw a kero tank rust from the INSIDE before? I wouldnt bother. Scan it and post it! There's a spec sheet on the products drop down list at: |
http://www.cplpetroleum.co.uk/
I've just noticed, it has a wonky colour so it's probably no good anyway...
I haven't got a scanner lol, it bust ages ago and I never replaced it
because I didn't really use it...
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"Abo" <no (AT) spam (DOT) thanks> wrote Burgerman wrote: We know that kerosine as used by heating systems is 28 / 30p per litre and looks smells and burns like diesel but its fractionally thinner and may be better with say 100 to 1 cheap 2 stroke oil added for peace of mind more than anything else so you can get reasonably cheap fuel that cant be distinguished from pump fuel in an easy way. Inspired by your Kero idea, I've been on the phone to a local supplier; they can supply a 500l tank for £400; they're sending my some stuff out in the post so I can have a read. They also do a 'premium' Kero which has additives in to prevent rusting etc. It'll help mainly in the storage tank but I'm sure someone mentioned problems when in the fuel system? -- Premium kero? Never heard of that! |
referring to as paraffin?
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Get your gas central heating boiler converted to LPG so you have a good excuse (cheap! or DIY) |
mains gas? (it costs more afaik - you don't think that cylinder is really
free, do you?). All it takes is for somebody to notice the big white
cylinder where nobody running gas for heating/cooking would have one, do
some sums on past and present gas bills, and you're nicked. And if you're
using enough gas that the stuff you're taking for your vehicle is lost in
the noise, you'll be losing on your domestic gas bill.
cheers,
clive
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"Burgerman" <burgerman (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message news:QT1wh.85922$HV6.37290 (AT) newsfe1-gui (DOT) ntli.net... "JB" <nil (AT) spam (DOT) net> wrote in message news:52blq3F1m7rubU1 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net... "Burgerman" <burgerman (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message news:w21wh.89064$n36.33572 (AT) newsfe7-gui (DOT) ntli.net... OK we know that sainsburies do mazola cheap for diesels. Or free from the chippy! But they run a bit crap in the cold and it smells like a chip shop and you will get done! And its still a crappy deseasel. We know that kerosine as used by heating systems is 28 / 30p per litre and looks smells and burns like diesel but its fractionally thinner and may be better with say 100 to 1 cheap 2 stroke oil added for peace of mind more than anything else so you can get reasonably cheap fuel that cant be distinguished from pump fuel in an easy way. But what if you detest the smelly old deseasel? As I do. Well then you can use a big smooth powerful petrol engine. And get a 37p to 42p per litre LPG conversion. Well that makes conventional deseasels on pump fuel look expensive to run! But did anyone realise that bulk propane of the 23p per litre heating variety, will work in your converted car? Its pure propane rather than the propane/butane LPG mix but thats even better! Its higher octane (and v slightly higher pressure) arrangement. Works like this. Buy new car. Get Subsidised LPG conversion cos its "green" allowing you to run a bigger car/engine than you otherwise could! (seems kind of counter productive to me but hey what do I know!). Get your gas central heating boiler converted to LPG so you have a good excuse (cheap! or DIY) Ger "calor" or similar competitor to install you a shiny new white1000 litre tank (free? Special deals - enquiring now) at your home. Get it filled.1000 litres = 230 squid. (200 gallons approx!) Add some fittings and a hose so that you can fill your cars LPG tank (no hurry so they can be small bore and cheap. And its easy to do... Now your high octane green fuel costs 23p a litre. Guess what I am doing to my new Dodge with its 3.8litre V6 ... Nice idea, but be damn careful with any pipes & fittings you add to the bulk tank for filling your vehicle's tank from. The Calor guys who refill your tank are under instructions to report any 'unofficial' additions/mods to their apparatus. Not sure whether they will tell HM Customs&Excise or simply not refill your tank but.... JB You do the additions hidden from view or on the pipe inside your house. Shouldnt be a problem? Fair point, but I thought that the car filler had to be a liquid take-off (bottom of tank or dip-tube feed)? I could of course be talking shite ;>) JB |
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I actually thought they had stopped the subsidy anyway. The Powershift scheme doesn't operate anymore. |
Only point of the powershift register now is you can avoid the London
congestion charge.
An LPG Grand Voyager isn't on the list.
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You do the additions hidden from view or on the pipe inside your house. Shouldnt be a problem? |
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Burgerman wrote: "Abo" <no (AT) spam (DOT) thanks> wrote in message news:epq9ts$r19$1 (AT) news (DOT) datemas.de... Burgerman wrote: We know that kerosine as used by heating systems is 28 / 30p per litre and looks smells and burns like diesel but its fractionally thinner and may be better with say 100 to 1 cheap 2 stroke oil added for peace of mind more than anything else so you can get reasonably cheap fuel that cant be distinguished from pump fuel in an easy way. Inspired by your Kero idea, I've been on the phone to a local supplier; they can supply a 500l tank for £400; they're sending my some stuff out in the post so I can have a read. They also do a 'premium' Kero which has additives in to prevent rusting etc. It'll help mainly in the storage tank but I'm sure someone mentioned problems when in the fuel system? -- Premium kero? Never heard of that! Something else: can you run C1 Kerosene, or is that what you're referring to as paraffin? -- |
We used to use heating oil and it was 28 Sec or C2 regular for certain
heating systems (whatever that means - its a redwood viscosity index. It
only shows the relative viscosity at a given temperature.) same sort of
stuff as Jet A jet fuel.
Tractor, heating red diesel, as well as white road fuel diesel is 35 Sec. So
its a little thicker or "heavier" than the kero hence the addition of a
splash of oil for peace of mind.
These are both simple narrow temperature range "pure" cracks with a few
addatives that dont make any difference to engines, and both seem to run
just fine in tractors, my old transit etc.
Paraffin as you buy from the DIY store was as far as I was told a thinner
again (but no redwood figure so who knows) mix of all the old crap left over
that was OK for things with a wick, cleaning, etc. And transits will run on
it (dont ask) but it smells horrible at the back! Parrafin actually smells
very little compared to heating kerosine.
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"Burgerman" <burgerman (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message news:QT1wh.85922$HV6.37290 (AT) newsfe1-gui (DOT) ntli.net You do the additions hidden from view or on the pipe inside your house. Shouldnt be a problem? I don't like the thought of bringing my car inside my house to refuel it. :-) -- ThePunisher |
Fuel it through the letterbox.
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"Burgerman" <burgerman (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message news:w21wh.89064$n36.33572 (AT) newsfe7-gui (DOT) ntli.net... Get your gas central heating boiler converted to LPG so you have a good excuse (cheap! or DIY) Won't that be a bit unsubtle? Why would anybody use LPG when they've got mains gas? (it costs more afaik - you don't think that cylinder is really free, do you?). All it takes is for somebody to notice the big white cylinder where nobody running gas for heating/cooking would have one, do some sums on past and present gas bills, and you're nicked. And if you're using enough gas that the stuff you're taking for your vehicle is lost in the noise, you'll be losing on your domestic gas bill. cheers, clive |
Its entirely legal to use an "alternative supply" and the golpg website
encourages it.
Plus how do they know that you are not running the heat flat out, running
your generator, have a leak?
Plus if you get deliveries in rotation from 3 or 4 suppliers then you can
show only one lot of reciepts!
Plus... I get to choose why I dont buy gas from the mains. Its a free
choice. But in my case they piss me off with their incorrect and estimated
bills and mostly with their telephone system / call centre merry go round.
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"ThePunisher" <thepunisher (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message news:YI2wh.1364$KC.537 (AT) newsfe4-gui (DOT) ntli.net... "Burgerman" <burgerman (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message news:QT1wh.85922$HV6.37290 (AT) newsfe1-gui (DOT) ntli.net You do the additions hidden from view or on the pipe inside your house. Shouldnt be a problem? I don't like the thought of bringing my car inside my house to refuel it. :-) -- ThePunisher No you misunderstand! You then connect the hose pipe and jubilee clips... Fuel it through the letterbox. |
You can just buy your propane in the big (19 or 24(?)kg) bottles, and it
still works out cheaper than LPG. You can pump it across, or if you
aren't in a hurry, turn the bottle upside down and gravity feed it into
the tank. Plus, no-one cares about what you are doing with the stuff...
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