Midlife crisis...

#11

"Tim S Kemp" <news (AT) timkemp (DOT) karoo.co.uk> wrote

Quote:

JackH wrote:

I wasn't aware that the 106 was substantially heavier, either, so why
the slower listed 0-60 etc., for the 106?

Saxo was geared for 60 in second to get the 0-60 time down.

Ok, cheers for the info.

"I always said those French were a weird lot..." ;-)

--
JackH

#12

"JackH" <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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Max Power snidy comments aside... I've got a hankering for a Saxo VTS /
Pug
106 GTi.

Uh-huh.

Will mean selling the Passat to pay for it, but... I'm not doing that
many
miles any more, and fancy something a bit more fun.

Okay, the good is that the Saxo is easy to find. Both are nippy, the VTS
naturally more so. They are nowhere near as scary as say a Peugeot 205
GTi
but they are not as alive, as alert, they feel... well... modern car
about
it.

See, I don't get this... aren't the 106 GTi and Saxo VTS identical,
mechanically?

Just about.

Quote:

I wasn't aware that the 106 was substantially heavier, either, so why the
slower listed 0-60 etc., for the 106?

A few reasons, one as Tim said, Citroen geared the VTS to reach 100 kmh (not
60) at the limiter in second. It has a slightly strange gearbox set up,
there's a big gap between first and second, and indeedy between second and
third, but fourth and fifth are closely set up. Perfect for higher speed
blatting but a bit awkward for city use.

Now I'm told that the Peugeot has the same gearbox and the same final drive,
but its gearbox feels more natural and better for all speed action.

The second reason is that Peugeot get four big blokes to sit in it at the
drag strip, because this slows it down and keeps the insurance grouping low.

Quote:

That aside, my cousins VTR felt the closest to my GTE that any modern hot
hatch has, in terms of 'fun to drive'.

Hmm. They're fun enough but are not as rewarding as a "proper" 205 GTI. If
the Sportka had more poke it would give the VTR a thorough kicking, the
handling is better sorted.

Quote:

But with the tail happy handling, just not as communicatitive about it.

Didn't the VTS and GTi have hot start problems too?

Erm, no idea.

The VTS' 1.6i-16 certainly had a starting problem, basically, it wouldn't
start.

Quote:

So... am I going through a midlife crisis???

No, that would be something like a BMW Z3 or Toyota MR2.

If they weren't so cramped (for the larger amongst us), and prone to
rotting
out big style in places you'd rather they didn't, I'd happily have another
T-Bar Mk1 MR2.

I'm 6'2" / 3" / whatever and chunky, and I could get by in the mark one MR2.
When Merlin sold his (check out the Ka 'vs' S40 'vs' MR2 article on my
website) I was up for buying it, but the Charlie said no.

Quote:

As it stands, having recently sat in my mates one and found
I fit quite comfortably, I have a hankering for an MX5 in the next couple
of
years, if finances dictate it a possibility.

Hmmm. Keep the Passat, you'll bring forward the day when you can get what
you really want closer. Otherwise the VTS may be just a passing stage.

They're not as poorly built as the AX, aye, but they are a strange lot.
They'll never rust, unless damaged, but the trim gets brittle and rattly
just as the engine is run in.

Still, good fun on the drag strip though, because they'll still be
wheelspinning at the 60 foot marker if the driver is brutal...

--
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

#13

"JackH" <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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Max Power snidy comments aside... I've got a hankering for a Saxo VTS /
Pug
106 GTi.

Uh-huh.

Will mean selling the Passat to pay for it, but... I'm not doing that
many
miles any more, and fancy something a bit more fun.

Okay, the good is that the Saxo is easy to find. Both are nippy, the VTS
naturally more so. They are nowhere near as scary as say a Peugeot 205
GTi
but they are not as alive, as alert, they feel... well... modern car
about
it.

See, I don't get this... aren't the 106 GTi and Saxo VTS identical,
mechanically?

I wasn't aware that the 106 was substantially heavier, either, so why the
slower listed 0-60 etc., for the 106?

That aside, my cousins VTR felt the closest to my GTE that any modern hot
hatch has, in terms of 'fun to drive'.

But with the tail happy handling, just not as communicatitive about it.

Didn't the VTS and GTi have hot start problems too?

Erm, no idea.

So... am I going through a midlife crisis???

No, that would be something like a BMW Z3 or Toyota MR2.

If they weren't so cramped (for the larger amongst us), and prone to
rotting
out big style in places you'd rather they didn't, I'd happily have another
T-Bar Mk1 MR2. As it stands, having recently sat in my mates one and
found
I fit quite comfortably, I have a hankering for an MX5 in the next couple
of
years, if finances dictate it a possibility.

For the price you'll pay on a 106/Saxo you'll get a nice mk1 MR2. Its not

that difficult to have a look to see if it's rusty of not

And you can
live with being cramped if you're not using it for long distances, the fun
you'll have will more than make up for it

#14

In article <3rksdiFk7fnhU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net>, jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk
says...

Quote:

So... am I going through a midlife crisis???

If it was a midlife crisis, it would be a Cobra/Ferrari/Lambo/GT40, not

a quickish shopping trolley that demands a knees round the ears and
elbow in the ashtray driving position.
--
Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

#15

"NeedforSwede2" <carl.robson (AT) bouncing-czechs (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

In article <3rksdiFk7fnhU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net>, jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk
says...
So... am I going through a midlife crisis???

If it was a midlife crisis, it would be a Cobra/Ferrari/Lambo/GT40, not
a quickish shopping trolley that demands a knees round the ears and
elbow in the ashtray driving position.

LOL

Apart from anything else, finances dictate I need to keep my perversions
within an actually feasible budget. ;-)

--
JackH

#16

"Carl Gibbs" <cagmeister (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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"JackH" <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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"JackH" <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message

So... am I going through a midlife crisis???

No, that would be something like a BMW Z3 or Toyota MR2.

If they weren't so cramped (for the larger amongst us), and prone to
rotting
out big style in places you'd rather they didn't, I'd happily have
another
T-Bar Mk1 MR2. As it stands, having recently sat in my mates one and
found
I fit quite comfortably, I have a hankering for an MX5 in the next
couple
of
years, if finances dictate it a possibility.

For the price you'll pay on a 106/Saxo you'll get a nice mk1 MR2. Its not
that difficult to have a look to see if it's rusty of not

And you can
live with being cramped if you're not using it for long distances, the fun
you'll have will more than make up for it

Loved the one I had briefly last year - top fun with the roof panels out,
caning it round some fast country roads I know near here.

But... because I'm all body and no legs, with the roof panels in, it was,
even with the seat right back, a case of head touching the roof unless I sat
really prone.

Another factor is, I have two little cherubs... something with four seats if
I'm spending the bulk of what the Passat fetches, is a prerequisite
really... hmm... unless I start using the Cav for family duties again I
suppose.

Main thing at the mo, is I want something that's good fun to thrash the crap
out of round twisties, and the VTS seems ideal. :-)

--
JackH

#17

"DervMan" <dervman (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

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"JackH" <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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"DervMan" <dervman (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"JackH" <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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Max Power snidy comments aside... I've got a hankering for a Saxo VTS
/
Pug
106 GTi.

Uh-huh.

Will mean selling the Passat to pay for it, but... I'm not doing that
many
miles any more, and fancy something a bit more fun.

Okay, the good is that the Saxo is easy to find. Both are nippy, the
VTS
naturally more so. They are nowhere near as scary as say a Peugeot 205
GTi
but they are not as alive, as alert, they feel... well... modern car
about
it.

See, I don't get this... aren't the 106 GTi and Saxo VTS identical,
mechanically?

Just about.

I wasn't aware that the 106 was substantially heavier, either, so why
the
slower listed 0-60 etc., for the 106?

A few reasons, one as Tim said, Citroen geared the VTS to reach 100 kmh
(not
60) at the limiter in second. It has a slightly strange gearbox set up,
there's a big gap between first and second, and indeedy between second and
third, but fourth and fifth are closely set up. Perfect for higher speed
blatting but a bit awkward for city use.

Now I'm told that the Peugeot has the same gearbox and the same final
drive,
but its gearbox feels more natural and better for all speed action.

The second reason is that Peugeot get four big blokes to sit in it at the
drag strip, because this slows it down and keeps the insurance grouping
low.

That aside, my cousins VTR felt the closest to my GTE that any modern
hot
hatch has, in terms of 'fun to drive'.

Hmm. They're fun enough but are not as rewarding as a "proper" 205 GTI.
If
the Sportka had more poke it would give the VTR a thorough kicking, the
handling is better sorted.

But it hasn't, so it won't. :-P

Quote:

But with the tail happy handling, just not as communicatitive about it.

Didn't the VTS and GTi have hot start problems too?

Erm, no idea.

The VTS' 1.6i-16 certainly had a starting problem, basically, it wouldn't
start.

So... am I going through a midlife crisis???

No, that would be something like a BMW Z3 or Toyota MR2.

If they weren't so cramped (for the larger amongst us), and prone to
rotting
out big style in places you'd rather they didn't, I'd happily have
another
T-Bar Mk1 MR2.

I'm 6'2" / 3" / whatever and chunky, and I could get by in the mark one
MR2.
When Merlin sold his (check out the Ka 'vs' S40 'vs' MR2 article on my
website) I was up for buying it, but the Charlie said no.

Yes, but as stated elsewhere, I am all body and no legs - similar height.

Quote:

As it stands, having recently sat in my mates one and found
I fit quite comfortably, I have a hankering for an MX5 in the next
couple
of
years, if finances dictate it a possibility.

Hmmm. Keep the Passat, you'll bring forward the day when you can get what
you really want closer. Otherwise the VTS may be just a passing stage.

I dunno so much - I've always enjoyed the more decent hot hatches I've
owned, and lamented selling them more than most of the cars I've had.

Quote:

They're not as poorly built as the AX, aye, but they are a strange lot.
They'll never rust, unless damaged, but the trim gets brittle and rattly
just as the engine is run in.

Still, good fun on the drag strip though, because they'll still be
wheelspinning at the 60 foot marker if the driver is brutal...

Indeed... and this is what I miss about my Nova, and what SteveH hated so
much about it, the time he drove it back from me when we picked up another
of my cars, a while back. :-D

"But it scrabbles out of roundabouts"

"You say that like it's a bad thing!" :-)

Loved that car... a shame it was getting so in need of TLC in the end, as I
never did find out exactly what had been done to the engine, but it had more
poke than any others I've since tried.

In a way, I now wish I'd kept it, and thrown some money at it.

--
JackH

#18

"JackH" <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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"JackH" <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message

So... am I going through a midlife crisis???

No, that would be something like a BMW Z3 or Toyota MR2.

If they weren't so cramped (for the larger amongst us), and prone to
rotting
out big style in places you'd rather they didn't, I'd happily have
another
T-Bar Mk1 MR2. As it stands, having recently sat in my mates one and
found
I fit quite comfortably, I have a hankering for an MX5 in the next
couple
of
years, if finances dictate it a possibility.

For the price you'll pay on a 106/Saxo you'll get a nice mk1 MR2. Its
not
that difficult to have a look to see if it's rusty of not

And you can
live with being cramped if you're not using it for long distances, the
fun
you'll have will more than make up for it

Loved the one I had briefly last year - top fun with the roof panels out,
caning it round some fast country roads I know near here.

Indeed, shame we didnt get a T-bar, but at least the sunroof comes out!

Quote:

But... because I'm all body and no legs, with the roof panels in, it was,
even with the seat right back, a case of head touching the roof unless I
sat
really prone.

My girlfriend, at 6ft, has that problem in hers as she sits bolt upright.
It doesnt bother me as I have my seat reclined back a bit. Dont remember it
being a problem in my gold one though, so maybe the seat got altered for the
later ones.

Quote:

Another factor is, I have two little cherubs... something with four seats
if
I'm spending the bulk of what the Passat fetches, is a prerequisite
really... hmm... unless I start using the Cav for family duties again I
suppose.

Main thing at the mo, is I want something that's good fun to thrash the
crap
out of round twisties, and the VTS seems ideal. :-)

Swift GTi is fun on a budget, but it wont be as fast as a VTS obviously.
Why not a 205 GTi? Miles cheaper than the VTS and equally (if not more)
fun.

#19

"Carl Gibbs" <cagmeister (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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"JackH" <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message

My girlfriend, at 6ft, has that problem in hers as she sits bolt upright.
It doesnt bother me as I have my seat reclined back a bit. Dont remember
it
being a problem in my gold one though, so maybe the seat got altered for
the
later ones.

The overall feeling at the time was 'this is a real hoot... but if I roll
it, I'm most definitely dead'. ;-)

Quote:

Another factor is, I have two little cherubs... something with four
seats
if
I'm spending the bulk of what the Passat fetches, is a prerequisite
really... hmm... unless I start using the Cav for family duties again I
suppose.

Main thing at the mo, is I want something that's good fun to thrash the
crap
out of round twisties, and the VTS seems ideal. :-)

Swift GTi is fun on a budget, but it wont be as fast as a VTS obviously.
Why not a 205 GTi? Miles cheaper than the VTS and equally (if not more)
fun.

Hmm... maybe.

They're all tending to be a bit ropey now, unless you pay top money for
one... at least from what I've seen of the few I looked at last time I was
considering getting one.

--
JackH

#20

JackH wrote:

Quote:

Max Power snidy comments aside... I've got a hankering for a Saxo VTS / Pug
106 GTi.

Will mean selling the Passat to pay for it, but... I'm not doing that many
miles any more, and fancy something a bit more fun.

Next time you look in a mirror, check for lobotomy scars...

Richard

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