Max Power snidy comments aside... I've got a hankering for a Saxo VTS / Pug
106 GTi.

Will mean selling the Passat to pay for it, but... I'm not doing that many
miles any more, and fancy something a bit more fun.

So... am I going through a midlife crisis???

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JackH wrote:
No, you're going through a nervous breakdown.

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"Tim S Kemp" <news (AT) timkemp (DOT) karoo.co.uk> wrote

How little you know.

Anyway... so what's so bad about getting one of those?

They're supposed to be really good fun, and I believe they're a bit more
resilient than the AX before them, in terms of bits falling off every five
minutes.

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JackH wrote:
Rose tinted glasses. They handle like crap - minimal outright grip and no
weight makes for terminal trail oversteer especially on dodgy surfaces.
Power and lack of weight means terminal understeer under power. It's like
all the hankering after 205s and early Golf GTis.
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"Tim S Kemp" <news (AT) timkemp (DOT) karoo.co.uk> wrote

The thing is... I actually liked my Nova GTE - I tried my cousins Saxo VTR a
while back, and found it had the same sort of fun buzziness up to a point...
which is where the VTS carries on.

It felt fun to drive anyway, and I'm doing little out of town miles by
necessity these days.

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JackH wrote:

They were cars for the time, but if you're used to a torquey, comfy, quiet,
stable passat you'll find an /olde skoole/ warm hatch holds very little
charm 1 hr into your journey.

When money allows it'll be a 5 series, or another Volvo, or some other big
quick saloon for me.
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"Tim S Kemp" <news (AT) timkemp (DOT) karoo.co.uk> wrote

This is why I'll just borrow fathers Golf, for the (much) longer ones.

They rarely happen now, anyway... and FWIW, the Nova was actually quite
torquey in its own right, which is why it was actually quite economical when
you weren't thrashing the tits off it.

Horses for courses... in an ideal world, I'd have an assortment of different
cars, sitting outside. :-)

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"JackH" <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote

Uh-huh.

Okay, the good is that the Saxo is easy to find. Both are nippy, the VTS
naturally more so. They are nowhere near as scary as say a Peugeot 205 GTi
but they are not as alive, as alert, they feel... well... modern car about
it.

But with the tail happy handling, just not as communicatitive about it.

Didn't the VTS and GTi have hot start problems too?


No, that would be something like a BMW Z3 or Toyota MR2.

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"DervMan" <dervman (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

See, I don't get this... aren't the 106 GTi and Saxo VTS identical,
mechanically?

I wasn't aware that the 106 was substantially heavier, either, so why the
slower listed 0-60 etc., for the 106?

That aside, my cousins VTR felt the closest to my GTE that any modern hot
hatch has, in terms of 'fun to drive'.

Erm, no idea.

If they weren't so cramped (for the larger amongst us), and prone to rotting
out big style in places you'd rather they didn't, I'd happily have another
T-Bar Mk1 MR2. As it stands, having recently sat in my mates one and found
I fit quite comfortably, I have a hankering for an MX5 in the next couple of
years, if finances dictate it a possibility.

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JackH

JackH wrote:

Saxo was geared for 60 in second to get the 0-60 time down.


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