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Tony Bond
 
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Default Re: Missed opportunity for Ford?? - 04-28-2004 , 01:02 PM







"Sales!" <Questions (AT) bargain-pricings (DOT) com> wrote

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But I haven't seen many diesel motorbikes as yet.
http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/diesel.htm




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Sales!
 
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Default Re: Missed opportunity for Ford?? - 04-28-2004 , 01:58 PM






Apparently on date Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:02:57 GMT, "Tony Bond"
<unclefista (AT) SPAMMENOTblueyonder (DOT) co.uk> said:

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"Sales!" <Questions (AT) bargain-pricings (DOT) com> wrote in message
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But I haven't seen many diesel motorbikes as yet.

http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/diesel.htm

Still haven't seen any, but sure, they would seem to exist




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AstraVanMan
 
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Default Re: Missed opportunity for Ford?? - 04-28-2004 , 02:02 PM



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LOL- the pump to cam belt interval is now I think 80k on the TDDI and CI,
but I have seen afew (admittedly plod) vehiles where failure has occured
before this- one hadnt done 50k. Belt breakage still results in a snapped
cam, cracked head, bent valves and or broken guides- so not good.
Yeah - mine was done at 40k and 80k at a Ford dealer by the previous owner
(well, the Ford mechanics actually did the work), and I was going to get it
done "any time now" at the time I sold it on. My point was that there's one
less thing that could potentially cause the belt to break (i.e. water pump
seizing).

Peter




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Sales!
 
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Default Re: Missed opportunity for Ford?? - 04-28-2004 , 02:10 PM



Sorry, meant to followup there, not email.

Apparently on date Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:20:27 +0100, "Carl Gibbs"
<cagmeister (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> said:
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"Adam M" <mail_monty (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:38be495c.0404272058.6c91b01f (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Cant believe i missed this thread! Having just done another road rally
in a
205 diesel, i can say without a doubt that diesels are far far better

Well its about driving a car enthusiastically on roads, so yes its exactly
like real road driving conditions actually.
I was going to say something along those lines.

Quote:
Engine noise was 1 example, and you're confusing the sound with noise
- nothing novaesque about a nice V6 or V5 warble.

So? When you talk about a sporty car i want something that is quick and
nimble, dont give a shit what noise it makes. If i wanted something that
made a nice noise i would buy an SD1 and remove the silencers. Makes a V5/6
sound like a diesel
Heh, I've got a v8 from out of an SD1. Have I mentioned it barks..? It makes a
nice sound. Did I mention the noise it makes yet?

TBH, that's not to say there can't be a nice sounding diesel engine, but it's
not going to growl and bark because you can't rev it up. Still, that's
definitely posing rather than driving.

Quote:
Vented discs wont reduce pad wear, you need proper brakes with
sensible sized discs and calipers for the application. I'm sure the
Pug 205 derv wasn't designed with blatting around a track in mind.

Well the suspension and drivetrain is based on that of a 205 GTi
(significant changed of the other petrol models), so actually it is very
well equipped as standard.
My problem was that the pads (or maybe the fluid) over heated very very
quickly, and now the friction material is shagged (not worn in terms of lack
of pad material). Serves me right for getting cheap pads. A swap to vented
discs (and M1144 pads and decent fluid) will be more than adequate as its
what a similarly weighted GTi will have.
I was thinking vented would be only a partial solution. The problem is airflow,
the designers (fairly sensibly) decided this wasn't important and went for a
slippery coef of drag rather than ducting air to the brakes.

If you want to stop the brakes getting hot, you need more airflow to the discs,
e.g. duct it round from big gaps in the front spoiler and onto the discs so the
airflow when you are moving brings the heat down.

AFAIK the brakes are designed around an ABS pump so you can't really put
competition fluid and pads in - so the heat is fundamentally your enemy there.
Changing the components won't carry away more heat, changing the airflow will.





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Tim S Kemp
 
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Default Re: Missed opportunity for Ford?? - 04-28-2004 , 03:01 PM



Nom wrote:
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Tim S Kemp wrote:
That would be the smell of wee wee from pssing themselves laughing
at leaving all the petrol burners for dead, and still seeing over
50MPG on the fuel computer then?

Even the Gold TD-GTI can't keep up with my lardy 180bhp volvo - so
leaving for dead?

Clearly that's because it has a 30bhp power defecit !!!!

The Audi A4 with the 180bhp diesel, will certainly be able to keep up
with your Volvo.
Aye indeed - but volvo is bigger and heavier than the golf, and has less
torque...





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Carl Gibbs
 
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Default Re: Missed opportunity for Ford?? - 04-28-2004 , 03:01 PM




Quote:
Sorry, meant to followup there, not email.
I'll stick my reply on here too then

Quote:
"Adam M" <mail_monty (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:38be495c.0404272058.6c91b01f (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Cant believe i missed this thread! Having just done another road rally
in a
205 diesel, i can say without a doubt that diesels are far far better

Well its about driving a car enthusiastically on roads, so yes its exactly
like real road driving conditions actually.
I was going to say something along those lines.

Quote:
Engine noise was 1 example, and you're confusing the sound with noise
- nothing novaesque about a nice V6 or V5 warble.

So? When you talk about a sporty car i want something that is quick and
nimble, dont give a shit what noise it makes. If i wanted something that
made a nice noise i would buy an SD1 and remove the silencers. Makes a
V5/6
sound like a diesel
Heh, I've got a v8 from out of an SD1. Have I mentioned it barks..? It makes
a
nice sound. Did I mention the noise it makes yet?

TBH, that's not to say there can't be a nice sounding diesel engine, but
it's
not going to growl and bark because you can't rev it up. Still, that's
definitely posing rather than driving.

Quote:
Vented discs wont reduce pad wear, you need proper brakes with
sensible sized discs and calipers for the application. I'm sure the
Pug 205 derv wasn't designed with blatting around a track in mind.

Well the suspension and drivetrain is based on that of a 205 GTi
(significant changed of the other petrol models), so actually it is very
well equipped as standard.
My problem was that the pads (or maybe the fluid) over heated very very
quickly, and now the friction material is shagged (not worn in terms of
lack
of pad material). Serves me right for getting cheap pads. A swap to
vented
discs (and M1144 pads and decent fluid) will be more than adequate as its
what a similarly weighted GTi will have.
I was thinking vented would be only a partial solution. The problem is
airflow,
the designers (fairly sensibly) decided this wasn't important and went for a
slippery coef of drag rather than ducting air to the brakes.

If you want to stop the brakes getting hot, you need more airflow to the
discs,
e.g. duct it round from big gaps in the front spoiler and onto the discs so
the
airflow when you are moving brings the heat down.

AFAIK the brakes are designed around an ABS pump so you can't really put
competition fluid and pads in - so the heat is fundamentally your enemy
there.
Changing the components won't carry away more heat, changing the airflow
will.




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Michael Rodgers
 
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Default Re: Missed opportunity for Ford?? - 04-28-2004 , 07:32 PM



"MeatballTurbo" <carl.robson (AT) bouncing-czechs (DOT) com> wrote

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E320 CDi 204 hp, 0-60 in 7.9 and 145mph, isnt shabby, plus with a chip I
expect a lot of bhp n torque.

Wasn't the latest Alpina a twin turbo diesel too?
Yes, the Alpina B10 BiTurbo.




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Michael Rodgers
 
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Default Re: Missed opportunity for Ford?? - 04-28-2004 , 07:39 PM



"Michael Rodgers" <news (AT) network-southeast (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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E320 CDi 204 hp, 0-60 in 7.9 and 145mph, isnt shabby, plus with a chip
I
expect a lot of bhp n torque.

Wasn't the latest Alpina a twin turbo diesel too?

Yes, the Alpina B10 BiTurbo.
Sorry, *D10* BiTurbo.




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DervMan
 
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Default Re: Missed opportunity for Ford?? - 04-29-2004 , 02:20 AM



"AstraVanMan" <FuckOff (AT) WithThanks (DOT) com> wrote

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You mean this one m8
http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/focus/foc_e...isport/-/-/-/-

Heh! Something like that :-)

Though is that mechanically any different from a bog standard Focus TDCI,
i.e. lower gear ratios for better acceleration (though that would probably
be more of a disadvantage in some respects though). What I was thinking
is
something along the lines of the 150bhp Golf GTi Diesel, where they took
the
130bhp PD engine and uprated it especially for that model (AFAIK), rather
than bolted on a few sporty looking bits.

Surely there's got to be a gap in the market for a genuine high
performance
Ford diesel range - STDCi ??

The Mondeo Zetec-S was available with a 2.5 V6 or the 2.0 TDCi donk..

But I know what you mean. That 1.6 TDCi so badly needs a smaller, lighter
home than the Focus C-Max...

--
The DervMan
www.dervman.com




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Theo
 
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Default Re: Missed opportunity for Ford?? - 04-29-2004 , 02:55 AM



Steve Firth wrote:
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Nom <Nom (AT) Somewhere (DOT) Somewhere> wrote:

Unless your truck/car make loony power, I find it very hard to
beleive you can keep up with the new BMW 330d !

The BMW 330D is just a spec in the rearview mirror getting smaller and
smaller, bye-bye BMW. And when it gets to twisty stuff the BMW is
laughable compared to my car. That's a heavy old engine and the 330d
is too nose heavy.
200hp??? heavy old engine??? LOL




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