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Re: v6 what's the point! -
07-14-2004
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Thinking about getting a 350Z but it's got a bloody stupid big heavy V6. Why don't they just put straight 6 in there and have done with it, save money and get a much better power to weight - the skyline's RB26 would have done the job surely. V's are a waste of time for anything less than 8 cylinders aren't they? Is it just a crap marketing ploy? I'm selling my Primera GT - stupid thing. In my opinion V6's are fine in a front wheel drive configuration but there is no reason what so ever to use a V6 in a rear wheel drive/4x4 simply becuase the physic's of a straight 6 allow more power to be put down ( i read that some where the straight 6 is the most natural configuration to date ). |
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Johnny wrote: Thinking about getting a 350Z but it's got a bloody stupid big heavy V6. Why don't they just put straight 6 in there and have done with it, save money and get a much better power to weight - the skyline's RB26 would have done the job surely. V's are a waste of time for anything less than 8 cylinders aren't they? Is it just a crap marketing ploy? I'm selling my Primera GT - stupid thing. No. V6 gives a nice short engine, allowing you to move the CoG back further and improving the handling / shortening the nose over using an inline six. Could be worse, could be a transverse inline 6 and front drive! |
as for the ranting against a V6. You're talking utter nonsense matey. Think
of the companies that still use a straight six.. let me think now.. Volvo in
the S80, TVR in a couple of theirs, the Nissan Skyline, and BMW. Jaguar
dumped them years ago, Mercedes did the same at the same time, Aston Martin
shortly afterwards.
Problems with inline 6s are they're difficult to package, they often suffer
from crankshaft trouble when used at high revs (hence BMW using a V8 in the
M3 GTR), they also seem to suffer with cracked heads and head gasket failure
more than any other type of engine I can think of. (excluding K series Rover
lump). Think of all the dead XJ6s, Rover SD1s, BMW 3/5/7 series around with
knackered heads. I know a few people who've had trouble with Skylines as
well.
They're also more difficult to get through emissions regulations IIRC..
Think about it, what can you buy new with a straight 6 engine? Skyline, S80,
TVRs, some powerless yank shitboxes, BMWs, the Partridge Lexus, Mercedes
Sprinter and a few other diseasels. As diesel engines are to be shunned at
all costs, we'll say no more about them.
What can you get with a V6? Alfa, Audi, Citroen, Ford, Honda, Hyundai,
Jaguar, Jeep, Kia (er.. not such a good thing), Mercedes, MG Rover,
Mitsubishi, Nissan, Noble, Peugeot, Renault, Saab, Seat, Skoda, Suzuki,
Toyota, Vauxhall, and Volkswagen.
As for why are V6's lighter, think of the length of the crankcase for one.
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Johnny <repro007 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: OTOH I suspect that you don't have a cat in hells chance of buying either. other points aside, why? If you're implying I can't afford it then the egg |
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The straight 6 has had it's day, IMHO, as it offers lots of packaging problems due to it's length with no real advantages over the straight 6. Yeah, I can't see any real advantages of a straight 6 over a straight 6. |
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Thinking about getting a 350Z but it's got a bloody stupid big heavy V6. Why don't they just put straight 6 in there and have done with it, save money and get a much better power to weight - the skyline's RB26 would have done the job surely. V's are a waste of time for anything less than 8 cylinders aren't they? Is it just a crap marketing ploy? I'm selling my Primera GT - stupid thing. |
little understeery (for a safer feel i guess)
got a clip of one being put through it's paces from a best motoring dvd somewhere...
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The straight 6 has had it's day, IMHO, as it offers lots of packaging problems due to it's length with no real advantages over the straight 6. |
Peter
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V12 is the only configuration that needs no balancing IIRC. |
V6 doesn't.
Paul
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Johnny <repro007 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: OTOH I suspect that you don't have a cat in hells chance of buying either. other points aside, why? Firstly because you'll be on a long waiting list. Secondly, if you could afford it you wouldn't be wasting time here pissing and moaning about it. If you're implying I can't afford it then the egg on my face will be flying your way. Yeh right, don't you mean the spot custard from your face? Your a cheeky cunt fella, I'll give you that. |
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"Johnny" <repro007 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:2lkrleFdqkh5U1 (AT) uni-berlin (DOT) de... Thinking about getting a 350Z but it's got a bloody stupid big heavy V6. Why don't they just put straight 6 in there and have done with it, save money and get a much better power to weight - the skyline's RB26 would have done the job surely. V's are a waste of time for anything less than 8 cylinders aren't they? Is it just a crap marketing ploy? I'm selling my Primera GT - stupid thing. sod the tech shit, 350Z's are nice cars, move pretty sharpish and handerling looks spot on if a little understeery (for a safer feel i guess) got a clip of one being put through it's paces from a best motoring dvd somewhere... I'm ready to get one, the whole V6 thing only cropped up after a |
subject as is painfully obvious from the info i've received already, snidey
comments from the odd prick aside.
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V12 is the only configuration that needs no balancing IIRC. Straight six has perfect primary and secondary balance (as does a V12) V6 doesn't. |
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http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - Alfa 155 TS Lusso - COSOC KOTL
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