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OTish: Becker VS Pioneer
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Re: OTish: Becker VS Pioneer -
04-03-2007
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Take the respective power ratings with a pinch of salt. The standards for measurement are rather vague and allow for a great deal of poetic license. The likes of Becker/ Nakamichi tend to be conservative (read that as more realistic) with their ratings |
comparison. Just don't imagine something like '50 watts max' bear any
relation to a decent domestic 50 watt amp.
But it's always been the case. With an ordinary class B transformerless
output stage into 4 ohms, the most you can get with 13.8 volts is under 5
watts. Didn't stop many makers claiming more...
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In article <46115688$0$19245$da0feed9 (AT) news (DOT) zen.co.uk>, Doki <mrdoki (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: I'm after a head unit. It looks like it's going to be between a Becker Mexico Pro or a Pioneer DEH-P77MP. The Pioneer has a higher quoted power output (27W VS 17W IIRC, both DIN), but the Becker also looks far more standard whereas the Pioneer is about as understated as aftermarket head units not made by the likes of Becker get. Anyone heard both? I've always liked the Pioneers I've had but I've never heard a Becker. And the Pioneers tend to change hands for £40 less... I've just replaced the Panasonic in the old Rover with a DAB Blaupunkt Woodstock and it has the higher output you quote - the Panasonic being the same lower one. Both four amp types. And the difference is more marked than I'd expect. The Panasonic regularly ran out of puff - the Woodstock goes too loud for comfort. It's also far cleaner sounding on everything. I'm actually quite impressed. ;-) |
makes 27W DIN (45324). The car audio people reckon that the Becker will be
up there with the Pioneer, but I'm not entirely sure - I've experienced the
household hifi lot's superstitions and beliefs that some countries make
bigger watts than others. What do you reckon?
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I've just had a look again, the Becker makes 18W RMS, whereas the Pioneer makes 27W DIN (45324). The car audio people reckon that the Becker will be up there with the Pioneer, but I'm not entirely sure - I've experienced the household hifi lot's superstitions and beliefs that some countries make bigger watts than others. What do you reckon? |
important. If you are getting the speakers out of an old Jag, do you
know their specs? How are the speakers going to be mounted in your
car? Also, for what it's worth, I've heard a Becker unit, it wasn't
shit by any means, and I have it on good authority that they are
pretty good. Having said that, I bought an Alpine instead (but moret o
do with price than anything, TBH).
Whatever happens, it's unlikely you're going to concerned about
missing the finer nuances of Beethoven's 9th whilst roaring down the
M6.
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On 3 Apr, 12:10, "Doki" <mrd... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: I've just had a look again, the Becker makes 18W RMS, whereas the Pioneer makes 27W DIN (45324). The car audio people reckon that the Becker will be up there with the Pioneer, but I'm not entirely sure - I've experienced the household hifi lot's superstitions and beliefs that some countries make bigger watts than others. What do you reckon? 18 watts will be fine - it's speaker sensitivity that's more important. If you are getting the speakers out of an old Jag, do you know their specs? How are the speakers going to be mounted in your car? Also, for what it's worth, I've heard a Becker unit, it wasn't shit by any means, and I have it on good authority that they are pretty good. Having said that, I bought an Alpine instead (but moret o do with price than anything, TBH). Whatever happens, it's unlikely you're going to concerned about missing the finer nuances of Beethoven's 9th whilst roaring down the M6. |
will cock things up. I'm going to leave it for the time being then try to
lay my hands on a Becker / Nak / Rockford when the car's bacl on the road.
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I've just had a look again, the Becker makes 18W RMS, whereas the Pioneer makes 27W DIN (45324). The car audio people reckon that the Becker will be up there with the Pioneer, but I'm not entirely sure - I've experienced the household hifi lot's superstitions and beliefs that some countries make bigger watts than others. What do you reckon? |
figure, as a sine wave converted into a square one by clipping will have a
higher RMS value. ;-)
I can only give you the spec quoted from the Blaupunkt book. Being German
it might be on the same wavelength as Becker.;-)
18 watts from 14.4 volts at 1% distortion into 4 ohms.
26 watts sine in accordance with DIN45324
50 watts max power.
All per channel.
Since it quotes an output according to DIN 45324, that's the one to use
for comparison as it is formulated exactly for this purpose.
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"Tim S Kemp" <n... (AT) timkemp (DOT) karoo.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:xcidnbr3C91K_IzbnZ2dnUVZ8sWhnZ2d (AT) eclipse (DOT) net.uk... Doki <mrd... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: I'm after a head unit. It looks like it's going to be between a Becker Mexico Pro or a Pioneer DEH-P77MP. The Pioneer has a higher quoted power output (27W VS 17W IIRC, both DIN), but the Becker also looks far more standard whereas the Pioneer is about as understated as aftermarket head units not made by the likes of Becker get. Anyone heard both? I've always liked the Pioneers I've had but I've never heard a Becker. And the Pioneers tend to change hands for £40 less... Get the Becker. Becker have consistently been some of the best sounding radios I've heard. Very neutral sounding and excellent radio reception. And I can't find a shop where I can hear one nearby. |
though. Radio and cassette are very good indeed.
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"Dave Plowman (News)" <d... (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk> wrote in messagenews:4ecd6dbe77dave (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk... That's my thinking. I know that 4x27W is more than enough, whereas 17W might leave me wanting an amp. And that perhaps the £40 I save could go on the the wheel refurb the car desperately needs...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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That's my thinking. I know that 4x27W is more than enough, whereas 17W might leave me wanting an amp. And that perhaps the £40 I save could go on the the wheel refurb the car desperately needs...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - it's about 2.5db difference. |
one comes up cheap. Not now, because the car's still in bits. Apparently
you'd be very hard pressed to produce 27W "proper" watts inside a head unit.
Thinking then of perhaps getting a set of infinity components up front and a
small sub in the boot, perhaps an elemental designs. Just want to move the
bass out of the door cards rather than have the big "boom tish" thing going
on.
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On Apr 3, 1:07 am, "Doki" <mrd... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" <d... (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk> wrote in messagenews:4ecd6dbe77dave (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk... That's my thinking. I know that 4x27W is more than enough, whereas 17W might leave me wanting an amp. And that perhaps the £40 I save could go on the the wheel refurb the car desperately needs...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - it's about 2.5db difference. |
you're talking about a 10dB increase in power. So very roughly about 5
times the power output in watts. Which was what surprised me about how
much louder my new one sounds compared to the old - someone is telling
porkies in the spec. But the old one didn't give a DIN figure.
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