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Default Well that was fun... - 04-25-2009 , 11:15 AM






This afternoon, I have been mostly ragging the arse off the Passat round a
race track.

Casualties: One big chip in the windscreen.

I think it's fair to say I've finally fully explored the handling and
braking limits, (as both the front pads and the edge of the front nearside
tyre will testify), but overall the car did me proud, outpowering quite a
few hot hatches down the straights and nipping up their insides on bends
etc, so it wasn't exactly outclassed handling wise either.

I didn't get overtaken by anything this side of a Caterham / Escort Cosworth
/ Impreza, either. :-D

And I managed to shave just over a second off the best lap from the first
session in the second thanks to listening to advice from other mates who do
this sort of thing all the time and who gave me a few pointers on how to get
the car round the track slightly quicker, so all in all I'm well impressed.

<goes off to look at suspension and braking mods>

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JackH

Rest: 03 VW Passat TDI Sport
Play: 98 Honda VFR800FiW



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Default Re: Well that was fun... - 04-25-2009 , 12:43 PM






"JackH" <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> writes:

Quote:
This afternoon, I have been mostly ragging the arse off the Passat round a
race track.
Found a certain bit of paper then?

Quote:
Casualties: One big chip in the windscreen.
Oops. That's rather annoying.

Quote:
I think it's fair to say I've finally fully explored the handling and
braking limits, (as both the front pads and the edge of the front nearside
tyre will testify), but overall the car did me proud, outpowering quite a
few hot hatches down the straights and nipping up their insides on bends
etc, so it wasn't exactly outclassed handling wise either.
Not bad, torque rules.

Quote:
And I managed to shave just over a second off the best lap from the first
session in the second thanks to listening to advice from other mates who do
this sort of thing all the time and who gave me a few pointers on how to get
the car round the track slightly quicker, so all in all I'm well impressed.

goes off to look at suspension and braking mods
Mod the driver instead first, and I don't mean at your local tattoo
parlour. A book that was recommended to me is Skip Barber's "Going
Faster". Certainly helped in my case, as did some training.

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'99 Integra Type-R


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Default Re: Well that was fun... - 04-25-2009 , 01:20 PM




"Timo Geusch" <tnewsSPAMMENOT (AT) unixconsult (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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"JackH" <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> writes:

This afternoon, I have been mostly ragging the arse off the Passat round
a
race track.

Found a certain bit of paper then?

Casualties: One big chip in the windscreen.

Oops. That's rather annoying.

I think it's fair to say I've finally fully explored the handling and
braking limits, (as both the front pads and the edge of the front
nearside
tyre will testify), but overall the car did me proud, outpowering quite a
few hot hatches down the straights and nipping up their insides on bends
etc, so it wasn't exactly outclassed handling wise either.

Not bad, torque rules.

Apparently it doesn't.

Not on a race track anyway where you really should be revving the nuts off
anything which needs the nuts to be revved off it.

Apparently it really is power that you need.

That's what I'm told anyway.

But I'm no expert.



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Default Re: Well that was fun... - 04-25-2009 , 02:22 PM



Bob Sherunckle wrote:

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"Timo Geusch" <tnewsSPAMMENOT (AT) unixconsult (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:m2tz4cwrw5.fsf (AT) unixconsult (DOT) co.uk... >"JackH"
jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> writes:

This afternoon, I have been mostly ragging the arse off the
Passat round a race track.

Found a certain bit of paper then?

Casualties: One big chip in the windscreen.

Oops. That's rather annoying.

I think it's fair to say I've finally fully explored the handling
and braking limits, (as both the front pads and the edge of the
front nearside tyre will testify), but overall the car did me
proud, outpowering quite a few hot hatches down the straights and
nipping up their insides on bends etc, so it wasn't exactly
outclassed handling wise either.

Not bad, torque rules.


Apparently it doesn't.

Not on a race track anyway where you really should be revving the
nuts off anything which needs the nuts to be revved off it.
Depends. Grassroots Motorsport did test a bunch of affordable race cars
sometime last year and the one that was turning in the best lap times
and was easiest to drive was a Cobra Replica (Factory 5 IIRC - they've
got their own race series). Out of the bunch it had the best
torque/weight ratio

Quote:
Apparently it really is power that you need.
More power and/or more skill than the other folks .

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JackH
 
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Default Re: Well that was fun... - 04-25-2009 , 05:32 PM



Timo Geusch wrote:
Quote:
"JackH" <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> writes:

This afternoon, I have been mostly ragging the arse off the Passat
round a race track.

Found a certain bit of paper then?
'No neeeed'

Went down there in a huff accepting I probably couldn't run it after all,
and was pleasantly surprised to find the only bits of paper they wanted to
see were ones with the word 'pound' on them. ;-)

Quote:
Casualties: One big chip in the windscreen.

Oops. That's rather annoying.
Aye... especially as it's right in my line of sight and that screen has only
been in there since February, but no matter really.

Quote:
I think it's fair to say I've finally fully explored the handling and
braking limits, (as both the front pads and the edge of the front
nearside tyre will testify), but overall the car did me proud,
outpowering quite a few hot hatches down the straights and nipping
up their insides on bends etc, so it wasn't exactly outclassed
handling wise either.

Not bad, torque rules.
As does a chassis which lets you 'chuck it around a bit' with no real drama.

55.1 was my best lap.

Quote:
And I managed to shave just over a second off the best lap from the
first session in the second thanks to listening to advice from other
mates who do this sort of thing all the time and who gave me a few
pointers on how to get the car round the track slightly quicker, so
all in all I'm well impressed.

goes off to look at suspension and braking mods

Mod the driver instead first, and I don't mean at your local tattoo
parlour. A book that was recommended to me is Skip Barber's "Going
Faster". Certainly helped in my case, as did some training.
Trust me... the bend before you go up the hill to the hairpin proved it
needs to be stiffened up a little, regardless of what I'm doing. ;-)

Overall though, it did well for a 'shagged out barge'. :-)

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Rest: 03 VW Passat TDI Sport
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Default Re: Well that was fun... - 04-25-2009 , 05:35 PM



Timo Geusch wrote:
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Bob Sherunckle wrote:


"Timo Geusch" <tnewsSPAMMENOT (AT) unixconsult (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message

Not bad, torque rules.


Apparently it doesn't.

Not on a race track anyway where you really should be revving the
nuts off anything which needs the nuts to be revved off it.

Depends.
<Points Sir at the Seat TDI BTCC cars of last season>

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Rest: 03 VW Passat TDI Sport
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Default Re: Well that was fun... - 04-25-2009 , 05:46 PM



JackH <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

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Timo Geusch wrote:
Bob Sherunckle wrote:


"Timo Geusch" <tnewsSPAMMENOT (AT) unixconsult (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message

Not bad, torque rules.


Apparently it doesn't.

Not on a race track anyway where you really should be revving the
nuts off anything which needs the nuts to be revved off it.

Depends.

Points Sir at the Seat TDI BTCC cars of last season
<points at the rather diesel friendly regulations>
--
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso
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Default Re: Well that was fun... - 04-25-2009 , 05:51 PM



SteveH wrote:
Quote:
JackH <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Timo Geusch wrote:
Bob Sherunckle wrote:


"Timo Geusch" <tnewsSPAMMENOT (AT) unixconsult (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message

Not bad, torque rules.


Apparently it doesn't.

Not on a race track anyway where you really should be revving the
nuts off anything which needs the nuts to be revved off it.

Depends.

Points Sir at the Seat TDI BTCC cars of last season

points at the rather diesel friendly regulations
*shrug*

Straight line they were invariably quicker.

Cornering, they were slower due to the extra weight killing the handling and
brakes.

'Swings and roundabouts', really.

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Rest: 03 VW Passat TDI Sport
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Default Re: Well that was fun... - 04-25-2009 , 05:53 PM



JackH <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

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points at the rather diesel friendly regulations

*shrug*

Straight line they were invariably quicker.

Cornering, they were slower due to the extra weight killing the handling and
brakes.

'Swings and roundabouts', really.
Eh?

The petrols were running with a weight penalty, as I recall.
--
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Default Re: Well that was fun... - 04-25-2009 , 05:54 PM



SteveH wrote:
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JackH <jackhackettuk (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

points at the rather diesel friendly regulations

*shrug*

Straight line they were invariably quicker.

Cornering, they were slower due to the extra weight killing the
handling and brakes.

'Swings and roundabouts', really.

Eh?

The petrols were running with a weight penalty, as I recall.
Oh... not something I was aware of.

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