"F.H." <connectu2 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

How nice it is to point at 'others' playing the same kind of 'hardball'
and crying FOUL...

YES, the corp's played hardball, and who knows what conspiracies really
went on
{ThereARE TWO reasons to settle, you know}

Go BACK to the basics and the causitive effects and will find the same
old never-ending mantra...
"NOT IN MY BACKYARD!'

We only have to look east to the Kennedy's to see this doesnt just happen
in california.

"Gimme my cake... and yours too... and bake it 'over there'!"

--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

F.H. wrote:
The obvious message was that I can't feel but so sorry for idiots who
know the likely outcome of their actions and insist on doing it anyway
and then want to play the victim. Nowhere did I excuse the actions of
the utilities any more than I would excuse the person who raped the girl
who was asking for it. Learn to read - and, while you're at it, to
think *while* you read. And honesty has to be thrown in there somewhere
- that's three things to manage all at one time. Think you can do it?

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

Backyard Mechanic wrote:
Point acknowledged. We all have our favorite perspective. I thought I
recalled some new generators being built in California so I Googled a
bit and came up with this:

http://tinyurl.com/yx5a4g

Snippet:

Why is our power grid in such dreadful condition? Chronic neglect by the
state's three investor-owned utilities — Southern California Edison, San
Diego Gas & Electric and Pacific Gas & Electric.

Even with a changing regulatory environment, the utilities retain
control over the transmission and distribution of electricity — and the
responsibility to plan for and build new power lines. But they have
failed to modernize the grid. In short, the utilities have violated the
publics trust.

Utility spending to upgrade and maintain the system has steadily
declined since the 1970s. The effects go far beyond July's outages. In
February, Cal-ISO contended that a new high-voltage transmission line
from gas-turbine generators in the Palo Verde area west of Phoenix would
deliver enough electricity to enhance reliability, lower bills and
encourage the development of renewable energy. Tellingly, this project,
approved in the 1980s, has languished in the planning stages for 20 years.

Full article: (please don't shoot the messenger)

http://tinyurl.com/yx5a4g

Bill Putney wrote:
In other words, yes.

Excuse? LOL.

Long before you'll ever master a civil discussion without adolescent put
downs.

"F.H." <connectu2 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

Ah jeeeez!

Want me to post an article on where those along a California powerline
upgrade are suing to stop it?

You believe what you want... when you're half-right, that's apparently
enough for you.

If you want to hold util's feet to the fire, you dont go in half-cocked
with half-baked mantra's and truisms.

--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

F.H. wrote:

OK - so you really do not have critical thinking skills. No use
pursuing this. You insist on saying that I am saying that California
deserved to be raped when what I said was that I have no sympathy for
someone who sets them selves up to be raped and then wants to play the
victim. Don't equate the two in your mind and then accuse me of
equating the two. See below re: reading/thinking/honesty.


??

I'll say it again: "Nowhere did I excuse the actions of the utilities
any more than I would excuse the person who raped the girl who was
asking for it." There - why don't you deal directly with that instead
of trying to divert attention with your own adolescent, meaningless
response.

It's hard to avoid it when the other person's thinking doesn't rise
above that level. To you, any criticism of yourself would generate an
accusation of adolescent put down. How else do you want me to say you
lack critical thinking skills and are intellectually dishonest?

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

Backyard Mechanic wrote:
Sure. I'd be interested in that.

How is that apparent? Why the insults?

Sounds reasonable. Did I post a mantra? Half baked truism?

Bill Putney wrote:
Must be, you continue.

Gee, free psychological and intellectual analysis on Usenet. Heh, quick
and priced right, as usual. Buh bye, Billy.

F.H. wrote:

One doesn't need a psychology degree to spot intellectual dishonesty.
Another attempt at diversion on your part rather than to actually
discuss the issue honestly. I'll say it for the third time: "Nowhere
did I excuse the actions of the utilities any more than I would excuse
the person who raped the girl who was asking for it."

So the point is still not missed by your attempt at diversion: I don't
have sympathy for people (or states) who knowingly (i.e., knowing that
there are evil people out there who will be glad to take advantage of
them) put themselves into a situation that pretty much guarantees a
raping and play the victim after the fact. Nor does it excuse the
actions of the rapist (for the 4th time). So don't try to twist my
words to say otherwise.

Yeah - you too - you have a nice day.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

Bill you may be bright, but you type like a moron. And thanks, all of you,
for cross-posting this lovely thread in auto newsgroups, where it's so
roundly appreciated.