Can someone explain Dodge Service Dept's to me...

#21

On May 11, 12:00 pm, "maxpower" <damnnickn... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

WRONG!! As I said there are reflashes out on particular model Minivans tha
require a flash of the PCM to install software that will update the engine
controller for an intermittent fault for turning the Check engine lite on
and setting a code for the EGR . Once again ...WORNG The newer model
vehicles do NOT use a vacuum controlled EGR. it is all electronic. If you
knew what you were talking about you would Know that a P0404 fault code is
An EGR postion sensor fault there fore this valve is strickly electronic
and DOES NOT use vacuum to operate the EGR valve. Try again

If one were to assume that vacuum operated EGR valves and EGR position
sensors must be mutually exclusive in any possible EGR system then
one's assumption would also be WORNG.

Toyota MDT in MO

#22

On May 11, 10:28 am, powrwrap <powrw... (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

On May 10, 8:08 pm, camaroz... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote:
Hi
I would like to help. What years is the Caravan,engine size and
mileage. On several occasions I see tech's change 02 sensors because
of a bad reading, for example 02 stuck High or Low along with out
range adaptive memory readings.Some techs are to quick to change a
part because they have the fault code for a certain sensor but often
don't take that extra step and check everything.It is possible that
fuel pump is playing games. A simple roadtest with a fuel pressure
guage connected to the vehicle could save you time and money. A pump
thats not working properly can make your 02 sensor seem faulty.(Due to
the lack of or to much 02 detected in the exhaust)

It's a '97 with a 3.8 liter and 64,000 miles. The first guy I took it
to did hook up a fuel pressure gauge and said I had proper pressure.
He's the one that had the car die while hooked up to his scan tool and
one of the guys that said the O2 sensor wasn't causing my problem.
That's another reason why I'm so ticked off at the dealer--they
replaced the fuel filter and the O2 sensor, over $400 in charges and
it didn't fix my problem.

Was the fuel pressure guage hooked up to the vehicle when it stalled?
If it was and the pressure was around 48 P.S.I +/- 5
P.S.I when it stalled then the pump is good. Below that change it.
With your scan tool can you read crank/cam signal?
If yes then try driving the vehicle around the block till its stalls
and check to see if you lose one or the other signal reference.Does
the check engine light come every so often and this is the code they
keep getting? (02 sensor)

Claude

#23

On 11 May 2007 13:52:50 -0700, Comboverfish <comboverfish (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

On May 11, 12:00 pm, "maxpower" <damnnickn... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

WRONG!! As I said there are reflashes out on particular model Minivans tha
require a flash of the PCM to install software that will update the engine
controller for an intermittent fault for turning the Check engine lite on
and setting a code for the EGR . Once again ...WORNG The newer model
vehicles do NOT use a vacuum controlled EGR. it is all electronic. If you
knew what you were talking about you would Know that a P0404 fault code is
An EGR postion sensor fault there fore this valve is strickly electronic
and DOES NOT use vacuum to operate the EGR valve. Try again

If one were to assume that vacuum operated EGR valves and EGR position
sensors must be mutually exclusive in any possible EGR system then
one's assumption would also be WORNG.

Quick, name a Dodge vehicle with a vacuum operated EGR system that
uses a position sensor.

And what the hell does 'WORNG' mean?

Quote:

Toyota MDT in MO

#24

"maxpower" <damnnickname (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

WRONG!! As I said there are reflashes out on particular model Minivans tha
require a flash of the PCM to install software that will update the engine
controller for an intermittent fault for turning the Check engine lite on
and setting a code for the EGR .

OK Maxpower,

I have 2 minivans, a 94 and 95 T&C with the 3.8L BOTH vans do this - set
the EGR code in the CEL, intermittently. I've swapped valves, replaced
them,
taken the old ones apart. No problems, no cracked diaphram, selonoids work.
EGR system passes all the diagnostics in the FSM. Both vans pass NoX
emissions
with flying colors. This problem has been happening for years on both of
these vans.

This is the FIRST time I've read in this forum any statement from anyone
claiming to be a dealership mechanic that this is a known problem with
a firmware update for the engine computer to fix it on certain vans.

So, are mine part of this known problem? If so, what is the TSB #?

Ted

#25

On May 13, 4:50 am, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <t... (AT) toybox (DOT) placo.com> wrote:

Quote:

"maxpower" <damnnickn... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message

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WRONG!! As I said there are reflashes out on particular model Minivans tha
require a flash of the PCM to install software that will update the engine
controller for an intermittent fault for turning the Check engine lite on
and setting a code for the EGR .

OK Maxpower,

I have 2 minivans, a 94 and 95 T&C with the 3.8L BOTH vans do this - set
the EGR code in the CEL, intermittently. I've swapped valves, replaced
them,
taken the old ones apart. No problems, no cracked diaphram, selonoids work.
EGR system passes all the diagnostics in the FSM. Both vans pass NoX
emissions
with flying colors. This problem has been happening for years on both of
these vans.

This is the FIRST time I've read in this forum any statement from anyone
claiming to be a dealership mechanic that this is a known problem with
a firmware update for the engine computer to fix it on certain vans.

So, are mine part of this known problem? If so, what is the TSB #?

Ted

Hi Ted

Yes and here is the TSB# 18-01-97 (keep in mind this is a Canadian TSB
# not sure if it is the # for the states)
Claude

#26

"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm (AT) toybox (DOT) placo.com> wrote

Quote:

"maxpower" <damnnickname (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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WRONG!! As I said there are reflashes out on particular model Minivans
tha
require a flash of the PCM to install software that will update the
engine
controller for an intermittent fault for turning the Check engine lite
on
and setting a code for the EGR .

OK Maxpower,

I have 2 minivans, a 94 and 95 T&C with the 3.8L BOTH vans do this - set
the EGR code in the CEL, intermittently. I've swapped valves, replaced
them,

What code? EGR Solenoid Circuit or EGR System failure?

Quote:

taken the old ones apart. No problems, no cracked diaphram, selonoids
work.
EGR system passes all the diagnostics in the FSM. Both vans pass NoX
emissions
with flying colors. This problem has been happening for years on both of
these vans.

You mention nothing about replacing the part with a new part? The tiny male
pins in the transducer solenoid are known to get water in them and corrode
or even break off and setting the Solenoid fault

Quote:

This is the FIRST time I've read in this forum any statement from anyone
claiming to be a dealership mechanic that this is a known problem with
a firmware update for the engine computer to fix it on certain vans.

I never said it was a know problem. The OP was crying on here about his
deal with the dealer and I said Since he wont give out year/make/model he
wont get help. I said there there was a reflash out on a particular year
van. There is no reflash out on yours.

Quote:

So, are mine part of this known problem? If so, what is the TSB #?

Ted

#27

glenn
first a egr valve is part of the emissions is it not??lets define this= exhaust
gas recirc.? i was always was told by dc and my old service manager it was and
a covered component under d.c warranty. a 5 gas analyzer might show you the ways
of your errors under the correct conditioons
a smart tech can test a egr system with a volt meter and a vac pump and engine
vacuum using a leftover vac. port if you don't have a pump
i remember you quoting a while back a failing egr valve will not cause a
stalling and a scan tool really is not needed.ecept for pulling codes and
verifing repairs
second. plugs and wires put on a vehicle may or may not help a misfire code
that could be warranty issue but a warped valve , failed injector,leaking
intake ect.ect. and the misfire turns on a lite because it may result in
converter damage resulting in, if in the time frame and mileage a warranty
claim
most good shops tell the customers this and (the bad shops don't last long
these days) THE CUSTOMER PAID OVER 20K for a new vehicle and deserves good
treatment something they do not get from you!!!
again dick head i have never been fired from a job in my lifetime and just so
you know as well as working at a shop full time i also sub contract my abilities
to 2 other shops in the area in which i live whom came to me
people bring their new cars to us to work while still under warranty
and i'm quoting 2 customers here from the last month both chrysler products
we can not get our vehicle fixed at the dealer so we come here and pay for it
and them send them the bill
i also got this week a extra 60 dollars in tips from my customers because i
take good care of them! can you as say that most likely not! you are to busy
telling people how great of a tech you are
glenn become the solution and not the problem, and work smarter not harder and
you just might break 30 hours a week

maxpower wrote:

Quote:

"philthy" <dbrider (AT) cac (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:46425CC5.3A17CCC9 (AT) cac (DOT) net...
that post of glenn's seems to contain the same attitude she recieved at
the
dealer she went to.

She is a he. Are you drinking on the job again Philthy? Tom is a guy!!
wonder why that is?
the main reason you got that kind of treatment from the dealers is
everyone
employed there is on a comminison payplan except the owner and the office
girls
so they only care about relieving you of your money and if you get the car
fixed
you are doing good

The independent shop replaced the plugs and wires and then cry Warranty
because they couldnt fix it, thus blowing it off to the dealer as one of
your tactics.

in my shop we do not call our customers idiots

No in your shop you sell parts and dont put them on so you can sell them on
the internet as you have been doing in the past. Probably the reason why the
dealer fired you in the first place. Busted?

no wonder why we are 4 days behind and the local dealer sends the techs
home at
12 from no work in the shop

Yea because you cant fix the vehicles correctly and everything backs up!!

maxpower wrote:

"Tom Rogers" <jeditom (AT) NO_SPAMtwcny (DOT) rr.com> wrote in message
news:464221ea$0$4698$4c368faf (AT) roadrunner (DOT) com...
I took my car in for 3 issues...

1) P0404 code (EGR Valve stuck) on the odometer when I turn the key
on-off-on-off-on, except when I took it into the dealer to have them
check
it out, they wouldn't even look at the EGR Valve because the code was
no
longer in the computer. I told them I saw the code on the odometer
display
using this method AND by using a scan tool from AutoZone. They told me
the
AutoZone tool is worthless, just so they can charge $70.00 to connect
theirs, but it showed the exact same code as the ignition method.

And if they would have replaced the EGR valve and if it didnt fix it
you
would be right back at the dealer complaining because your car wasnt
fixed.
You DONT replace a part just because there is a code!!!!

2) My car has been hesitating, lurching, bucking, whatever you want to
call
it, while maintaining a constant speed. They said they sprayed water
on
the
plug wires and they are arcing to ground. Need to replace the wires
AND
the
plugs they said! I Just had the plugs and wires changed 6 weeks ago!
Top
of
the line stuff too. But instead of saying to replace the wires only,
they
said the plugs too! Why? My regular mechanic said they are full of BS.

Why the hell dont you take it back to the place that put the plugs and
wires
on it!!! if you spray water and see them arcing there is a
problem!!!!!!!!!!!! Your regular mechanic needs to be replaced!!!!

3) My car clunks when I shift into a gear, and when I take off - my
regular
mechanic says Torque Converter and it's killing the CV Joints. I told
them
this, they said they could not duplicate the issue so they did
nothing! I
picked my car up from the dealer and when i put it in gear and took
off -
SAME CLUNKING sounds! What the heck? They wouldn't even check the
Torque
Convert and CV joints out - most likely because there was no computer
code
for them.

SO WHY DIDNT YOUR MECHANIC FIX THE PROBLEM??? Damn stop Crying!!!!

Why are dealer service dept's like this? Why don't they fix your car
when
you take it to them? I'm so sick of dealers. I have an extended
warranty
and
my guess is that they want out of it as cheaply as they can, wait till
the
warranty is over, then fix the car for 2-3x what a regular mechanic
will
charge you. I'm sick of it - can someone explain to me why this is?

I can explain it to you and i have never told anyone this but your an
Idiot!!! you post a question here, or should I say you cry on here ,
dont
give a year make or model and expect to get answers. get a life or buy a
Ford!!

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Technican. at the dealer!!!

Ticked off bad,

-TRogers

#28

On May 13, 8:51 am, "maxpower" <damnnickn... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

"Ted Mittelstaedt" <t... (AT) toybox (DOT) placo.com> wrote in message

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"maxpower" <damnnickn... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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WRONG!! As I said there are reflashes out on particular model Minivans
tha
require a flash of the PCM to install software that will update the
engine
controller for an intermittent fault for turning the Check engine lite
on
and setting a code for the EGR .

OK Maxpower,

I have 2 minivans, a 94 and 95 T&C with the 3.8L BOTH vans do this - set
the EGR code in the CEL, intermittently. I've swapped valves, replaced
them,

What code? EGR Solenoid Circuit or EGR System failure?

taken the old ones apart. No problems, no cracked diaphram, selonoids
work.
EGR system passes all the diagnostics in the FSM. Both vans pass NoX
emissions
with flying colors. This problem has been happening for years on both of
these vans.

You mention nothing about replacing the part with a new part? The tiny male
pins in the transducer solenoid are known to get water in them and corrode
or even break off and setting the Solenoid fault

This is the FIRST time I've read in this forum any statement from anyone
claiming to be a dealership mechanic that this is a known problem with
a firmware update for the engine computer to fix it on certain vans.

I never said it was a know problem. The OP was crying on here about his
deal with the dealer and I said Since he wont give out year/make/model he
wont get help. I said there there was a reflash out on a particular year
van. There is no reflash out on yours.

Max

There is a flash update for said vehcile TSB#18-01-97 (keep in mind
this is a Canadian TSB
# not sure if it is the # for the states)

#29

"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm (AT) toybox (DOT) placo.com> wrote

Quote:

"maxpower" <damnnickname (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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WRONG!! As I said there are reflashes out on particular model Minivans
tha
require a flash of the PCM to install software that will update the
engine
controller for an intermittent fault for turning the Check engine lite
on
and setting a code for the EGR .

OK Maxpower,

I have 2 minivans, a 94 and 95 T&C with the 3.8L BOTH vans do this - set
the EGR code in the CEL, intermittently. I've swapped valves, replaced
them,
taken the old ones apart. No problems, no cracked diaphram, selonoids
work.
EGR system passes all the diagnostics in the FSM. Both vans pass NoX
emissions
with flying colors. This problem has been happening for years on both of
these vans.

This is the FIRST time I've read in this forum any statement from anyone
claiming to be a dealership mechanic that this is a known problem with
a firmware update for the engine computer to fix it on certain vans.

So, are mine part of this known problem? If so, what is the TSB #?

Ted

I take that back, there is a reflash out that could pertain to your vehicle

if the fault code is for EGR system failure. It only pertains to setting a
fault where the ambient temp is below 40 degree F and that is the TSB that
was posted earlier.

#30

On May 13, 2:02 am, bllsht <nos... (AT) dot (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

On 11 May 2007 13:52:50 -0700, Comboverfish <comboverf... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com
wrote:

On May 11, 12:00 pm, "maxpower" <damnnickn... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

WRONG!! As I said there are reflashes out on particular model Minivans tha
require a flash of the PCM to install software that will update the engine
controller for an intermittent fault for turning the Check engine lite on
and setting a code for the EGR . Once again ...WORNG The newer model
vehicles do NOT use a vacuum controlled EGR. it is all electronic. If you
knew what you were talking about you would Know that a P0404 fault code is
An EGR postion sensor fault there fore this valve is strickly electronic
and DOES NOT use vacuum to operate the EGR valve. Try again

If one were to assume that vacuum operated EGR valves and EGR position
sensors must be mutually exclusive in any possible EGR system then
one's assumption would also be WORNG.

Quick, name a Dodge vehicle with a vacuum operated EGR system that
uses a position sensor.

I can't, quick or otherwise. Now go back and read what I wrote about
*any* EGR design possibility. Some vehicles currently driving on the
road have both a vacuum-operated EGR valve and a position sensor. Now
read the message I was replying to, and imagine if one were to think
that, just because one had a P0404 code, then one could not have a
vacuum hose somewhere in their EGR system. (any make, any model,
theoretical or otherwise)

Quote:

And what the hell does 'WORNG' mean?

Damn, are you *that* thick? Read the message I responded to. The key
"word" is even in capitals. You did quote both messages.

Toyota MDT in MO

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