On 14 May 2007 10:24:19 -0700, Comboverfish <comboverfish (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:

No surprise there...

The OP wasn't talking about *any* EGR design possibility, I believe he
was talking about a Dodge dealer. On a Dodge, a vacuum operated EGR
and an EGR position sensor would be mutually exclusive.

I see you don't get sarcasm either. I won't bother explaining.

On May 15, 1:59 am, bllsht <nos... (AT) dot (DOT) net> wrote:

I never said I could, so why would there be a surprise at any cost? I
know the OP referred to a Chrysler product. I realize there is some
wisdom in maxpower's point regarding non-vacuum controlled EGR valves
and a P0404. Unfortunately, he (you?) is dimwitted enough to never
consider the big picture as evidenced by a great number of his posts.
His attack of claresnyder(sp) was pretty weak, but expected. Again,
read what I said and find any technical fault with it. You can't?
Great.

Again, no shit. Did you google that info? Are you sure of it from
real world experience? I'm *fairly* certain that it's true, enough to
not bother arguing (on Chryslers) but wouldn't rule it out
completely. Of course, I hardly touch Chrysler products but still
understand that generality off the top of my head. Don't own any,
have only a few in my circle, don't see them or care obout them. I
would be emabarrased for any Chrysler enthusiast/mechanic that
*didn't* know that. BTW, there were plenty of different control
systems introduced from joint ventures such as the Diamond Star badged
imports which could show up at a "Dodge dealer". Do you know if all
of them (including pre-1996 California quasi-OBDII models) were devoid
of vacuum EGR/lift sensors?

I'm certain your question was one of intentional sarcasm. Its
wittiness was multifaceted and gay.

Toyota MDT in MO

On 15 May 2007 05:01:58 -0700, Comboverfish <comboverfish (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:

Technical fault? No. Irrelevant, considering the OP was talking about
a Chrysler product? Yes!

If you want to use irrelevant posts to take weak shots at somebody
'cause you don't like 'em, then knock yourself out. I was just
pointing out that Glenn was right, and your post didn't make any sense
in the context of this thread.

No, but you may want to give it a try.

Yes.

Yes.

Such eloquence!

On May 16, 2:08 am, bllsht <nos... (AT) dot (DOT) net> wrote:

Correct. I wasn't attempting to be relevant. I can't do that 24/7
365.

I already conceded that -however- knew it when posting. I've been
pissy on NG lately and it shows. Oh well, life goes on. FWIW, I feel
Glenn is a real asset to posters regarding Chrysler help. I have
deliberately scrolled right down to his replies for years, but take
issue with the manner that he (occasionally) jumps on people, in the
sense that he gets bent really easily. He doesn't always see all
sides to the issue, and rather goes into tunnel vision attack mode.
He's never responded to me, even in the beginning when my replies were
of the kinder, more collaborative nature. I guess that my posts,
both good and malevolent are blocked, ignored, don't
show on his reader, whatever... and life goes on.

Google wouldn't be my choice for auto info, especially trying to
determine which vehicles in the Chryco lineup, if any, ever came
equipped with the aforementioned combination.

That makes one of us.

Now *that's* proper sarcasm!

Toyota MDT in MO

"Comboverfish" <comboverfish (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote


I read all the post's and dont block any of them out. I have just as much
right to say what I want to say as the next person. I will NOT get into
Bullshit discussions that come out of what is said on here. I dont have time
for that. The fact is, the OP made it sound as if the dealer was supposed to
check his vehicle out for free. We dont get paid by the hour we get paid by
the work we do. Just because the OP was told his EGR valve was bad by
another dealer does not mean the dealer is going to replace it. The OP has
purchased a low line service contract that does not cover EGR valves
therefore if he wanted it checked out he would have had to pay for it. Most
people I find on here that cry do not tell the whole side of the story. You
would be surprised of how many e mails I get from Posters on here about
there issues. They dont tell the complete story that was acually done to the
car to try and fix it. A vin number tells alot about the history of a
vehicle and the work that has been done to try and correct a problem. I
forget who said it.... but the OP's vehicle has an electronic EGR valve.
Unless you acually get the scan tool out and run the monitor to check it,
which means driving the vehicle under a certain speed and a certian load you
can not test this device. Once again, it has no vacuum hose to it. So what I
said in my first post was merely making a point that the OP was crying NOT
FIXED when he did not want to pay to have it checked out after the
Independent shop blew him off to the dealer. I only work on Dodge and
Chrysler Products and that is what we were talking baout therefore I had no
reason to answer the question about other EGR valves on a different
Manufactures vehicle.Once again, i do this as a favor to those who have a
ligitmate question or problem. I spend alot of time researching and going
thru wire schematics to answer questions. I dont have time for the bullshit
that goes on such as this thread.

Glenn

On May 16, 1:32 pm, "maxpower" <damnnickn... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Thanks for replying. Many dealer techs work on a wide variety of
vehicles which usually comes from their mass of trade-in resales. I
guess your shop is different or you have one specific guy to do that
work. Your dealer doesn't sell the Jeep line?

Toyota MDT in MO

"Comboverfish" <comboverfish (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

on those vehicles, We are not able to get the Jeep franchise because a
dealer down the street has it. I have worked on Dodge for 20 years but got
out of that 7 years ago.
We have one technician that works on all used vehicles. He inspects and
does the repairs
Glenn

"maxpower" <damnnickname (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

It is the general EGR system failure code. And yes I did try a new valve in
one
of the vehicles. And no, the pins on the selonoids are fine. It could
possibly be
bad FEMALE contacts in the selonoid plug - but to have both vehicles doing
it?

I don't live in an area with a lot of corrosion (no salt on the roads, etc.)
so general
we don't see corrosion issues on electrical. But, as for ambient temp being
below 40 - that one I don't know. I hadn't noticed. The fact that the
computers
are flashable, though, that's useful. I'll have to get one of them done and
see
if it makes a difference.

Ted

"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm (AT) toybox (DOT) placo.com> wrote

sets in the winter?

"maxpower" <damnnickname (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

It is very random. It will go for months without doing it then do it
several times
in succession. The more common trigger appears to be crusing at around
55Mph
for a long period of time - such as a half hour. Interestingly enough, if I
cruise
for the same period of time at 65Mph it usually -won't- do it. But, I've
had it
do it 10 minutes after starting the van, and just doing 30Mph city driving.

I can do the test procedure in the FSM all day long to each van and the
EGR valve always checks out, whether the van is hot or cold.

Both vehicles behave the same way and both give the same error codes, and
both
have very low NoX emissions. We have state-run IM testing here and you can
take a
vehicle through the test center for free any time you want. Both seem to
have done this
with the same regularity in both summer and winter. But, the coldest it
ever gets
here during winter is about down to 28 degrees.

In other factoids, both engines have very different maintainence histories.
The
95 was bathed in oil, serviced by the dealer. The 94 was bathed in dirt,
and
serviced by Clive with an assortment of kitchen implements. (I bought both
vans
used) The 94 seems to have been very happy with getting back on to a
regular
oil change regimen, and better maintainence. The 94 has about 145K on it,
the
95 has about 120K on it.

I have an OTC Monitor 4000E with the engine computer connector and one of
these days if I get ambitious I keep thinking I'll set it up to record
events, and see
if I can catch the thing doing it. One obstacle to doing that, though, is
that now
with the better weather, I'm riding the CB750 every day and haven't done
much
driving in the van.

Ted