New Jeep Grand Chicory

#21

"Steve" <no (AT) spam (DOT) thanks> wrote

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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Steve wrote:

Pick your badness! Do you want the "brake, tail and turn signal
functions
all lumped into one lamp, which can give only one signal at a time, and
if
it fails, you lose all functions on that side" badness?

My '69 has 3 lamps per side, actually. Built-in redundancy. Problem
solved.

Halfassedly.

"If it fails, you lose all functions on that side" problem solved.

"Can give only one signal at a time" problem UNsolved. If all a
surrounding driver can see is one side or the other, and you are stepping
on the brakes AND signalling for a turn or lanechange in the direction of
the only rear lamp he can see, all he sees is your blinker, NOT your
brake
light.Half the problem solved.

And so how should one respond differently to a blinker or a brake? Either
one means "this car is slowing down" so its pretty much a moot point,
especially since both rear lamps (and the CHMSL) are going to be
simultaneously visible 99% of the time.

OTOH, seeing amber in limited visibility conditions implies "approaching
vehicle" which is flat-out false in the case of amber rear turn signals.
Meaning you have to rely on simultaneously seeing headlamps or taillamps
to resolve THAT ambiguity. You're just trading one ambiguity for another,
and I'd argue that the "signal or brake" ambiguity isn't particularly
dangerous since you should assume that the car is slowing to a near-stop
(at least) under either condition. The fact of the matter is that BOTH
systems work perfectly well, both have done so for over 50 years, and I
think you'd be hard-pressed to find a statistically different number of
collisions based on the color of the rear turn signals, except for the
"duelling reds" design you mentioned before. (That's your open invitation
to prove me wrong.) :-)

International agreements, (yes the USA signed and ratified it) mandates that
amber just be used for flashing lights, front and rear and side. If the USA
followed that treaty requirement there would be no issue of having to guess
if a yellow light in the fog was the front or rear of a vehicle, it would
unambiguously tell you that a vehicle is either flashing a turn or if both
are flashing, that the vehicle is either very slow or parked. Instead, the
USA lets the car makers do whatever they want.

Has anyone done a study to show that our assumptions about amber being safer
is valid?

Richard.

#22

Front fogs are white, rear fogs are red (in an offset position) and amber is
for turning -- Europe.

There used to be yellow fog lights but very different to amber.

France used to have yellow headlights.

All standardised.

The only thing that isn't is whether headlights should be on during
daylight.

DAS
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"Richard" <rfeirste at nycap.rr.com> wrote

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Quote:

International agreements, (yes the USA signed and ratified it) mandates
that amber just be used for flashing lights, front and rear and side. If
the USA followed that treaty requirement there would be no issue of having
to guess if a yellow light in the fog was the front or rear of a vehicle,
it would unambiguously tell you that a vehicle is either flashing a turn
or if both are flashing, that the vehicle is either very slow or parked.
Instead, the USA lets the car makers do whatever they want.
..........

#23

Red for STOP, amber for TURN, white for REVERSE....no, that's too complicated.

#24

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004, Ted Azito wrote:

Quote:

Red for STOP, amber for TURN, white for REVERSE....no, that's too
complicated.

Well, the rest of the world has it all figured out, but yeah, it does seem
too complicated for America.

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