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Art
 
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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-22-2004 , 12:40 PM






Are you providing indemnification against AT failure to anyone following
your advice?


"Richard Ehrenberg @hvc.rr.com>" <rehrenberg<nospam> wrote

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I stand behind my recommendation, see above...

Rick
"Ken Pisichko" <kenp (AT) mts (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:40FDCE44.33BE6E69 (AT) mts (DOT) net...
I have not seen Type F recommended for CC transmissions - at least not
in
the
FWD vans from the 1980s.

Ken

"Richard Ehrenberg

Best BY FAR in the 3-speeds is Type F!

Rick

"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern (AT) 127 (DOT) 0.0.1> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.58.0407191049410.27352 (AT) alumni (DOT) engin.umich.edu...
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Mumbato wrote:

I've been reading old posts about ATF+4, and wondered if it's
necessary for me to use it in my '87 LeBaron Town & Country wagon?

No, it's not necessary. It works very well in the older
transmissions
(I
use it even as far back as in my '62 Dodge) but it's not necessary.






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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-22-2004 , 01:13 PM






"Art" <beguna (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote

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Are you providing indemnification against AT failure to anyone following
your advice?
No, Art, he's not. You see, he assumes -- like most people capable of
thinking clearly would -- that everyone is ultimately responsible for
their own actions, choices and decisions. He might as well recommend
you urinate into the dipstick tube, because it wouldn't make one iota
of difference as to who the blame would fall upon when the
transmission fails. You see, Art, it's assumed that the folks posting
to this group can think for themselves, and are either here to a.) get
a little insight/direction on resolving their car problems b.) discuss
the joys (or the sadnesses) of owning/driving Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep
and Eagle-branded vehicles or c.) offer advice to others.
Occasionally we get off-topic; that's okay, it's Usenet. But you're
never, ever allowed to check your brain at the door before you enter
here and use that as an excuse for a subsequent misadventure. And
you're never, ever going to successfully put the financial
responsibility on someone else here for your own stupidity, even if
they gave you bad advice. Sorry.

So I recommend you go back to your attempt to figure out how to
program your lawyer's number into your cellphone's speed-dial list,
and shut up with the stupid, half-baked crap already.

--Geoff


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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 vs. Type F - 07-22-2004 , 04:25 PM



On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, it was written:

Quote:
The biggest advance in tranny fluid in recent years is LIFE.
That's one advancement in trans fluid in recent years, but it's certainly
not the only one, and the engineers who actually, y'know, *make* the
advancements happen, and who write the SAE papers on transmission fluid
advancements -- from DaimlerChrysler and all the other knowledgeable
parties -- seem to disagree with you that trans fluid life is "the biggest
advance".

Quote:
on the 3-speeds, and even the A-500 and 518, Type
F is the plan for any kind of performance driving.
I disagree with you, but that's fine. I also think it's dumb to use
Champion spark plugs and Fram oil filters and Bosch O2 sensors, but many
people do so with fine results.

Quote:
And, no, if you're tranny blows up, don't ask me to fix it
It's "your", not "you're". You edit a magazine; you know that.

Quote:
But if it does expire, it won't be the F that did the deed - in fact, in
all likelyhood, it will have put off that fatal day.
I've still seen no evidence to support this opinion -- just assertions
stacked on top of assertions stacked on top of uncontrolled anecdotal
reports. Until there's some hard evidence, I continue to think Type-F in a
Torqueflite is a poor idea.


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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-22-2004 , 07:26 PM



Wow, I'm surprised someone who cannot recognize humor knows what the work
indemnification means.


"Geoff Gariepy" <geoff_gariepy (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

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"Art" <beguna (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote

Are you providing indemnification against AT failure to anyone following
your advice?

No, Art, he's not. You see, he assumes -- like most people capable of
thinking clearly would -- that everyone is ultimately responsible for
their own actions, choices and decisions. He might as well recommend
you urinate into the dipstick tube, because it wouldn't make one iota
of difference as to who the blame would fall upon when the
transmission fails. You see, Art, it's assumed that the folks posting
to this group can think for themselves, and are either here to a.) get
a little insight/direction on resolving their car problems b.) discuss
the joys (or the sadnesses) of owning/driving Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep
and Eagle-branded vehicles or c.) offer advice to others.
Occasionally we get off-topic; that's okay, it's Usenet. But you're
never, ever allowed to check your brain at the door before you enter
here and use that as an excuse for a subsequent misadventure. And
you're never, ever going to successfully put the financial
responsibility on someone else here for your own stupidity, even if
they gave you bad advice. Sorry.

So I recommend you go back to your attempt to figure out how to
program your lawyer's number into your cellphone's speed-dial list,
and shut up with the stupid, half-baked crap already.

--Geoff



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Geoff
 
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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 vs. Type F - 07-23-2004 , 10:13 AM



Quote:
I disagree with you, but that's fine. I also think it's dumb to use
Champion spark plugs....
Whoa! What's wrong with Champion plugs? Which are better?

--Geoff




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Geoff Gariepy
 
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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-23-2004 , 10:20 AM



"Art" <beguna (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote

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Wow, I'm surprised someone who cannot recognize humor knows what the work
indemnification means.
And I'm surprised that somebody with your level of brain function can
muster up enough synapses to *type*, let alone come up with the word
indemnification.

In order for humor to be recognized, it first has to exist. If you
thought you were being funny, you were the only one.

By the way, the one you were trying to type was 'word', not 'work'.

--Geoff


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Art
 
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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-23-2004 , 01:12 PM



"Geoff Gariepy" <geoff_gariepy (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

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In order for humor to be recognized, it first has to exist. If you
thought you were being funny, you were the only one.


Wow this genius thinks he speaks for the whole world.
Do me a favor. If you can figure out how to use your newsreader properly,
please filter out my posts.




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Daniel J. Stern
 
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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 vs. Type F - 07-23-2004 , 01:25 PM



On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Geoff wrote:

Quote:
I disagree with you, but that's fine. I also think it's dumb to use
Champion spark plugs....

Whoa! What's wrong with Champion plugs? Which are better?
I'm not going to help re-start the plug wars.

I have had Champion spark plugs fail (simply quit sparking) too early, too
often, too many times. Therefore, I no longer use them. I used Autolites
very happily for many years, but just recently have had excellent results
with NGK.

My Bosch spark plug experience matches my Bosch O2 sensor experience
matches my Champion spark plug experience.

DS


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