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Default Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-19-2004 , 05:27 AM






I've been reading old posts about ATF+4, and wondered if it's
necessary for me to use it in my '87 LeBaron Town & Country wagon?
I'm planning a filter and fluid change soon, so any insights would be
welcome! Thanks.

Lee

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Neil Nelson
 
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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-19-2004 , 06:46 AM






In article <rc8nf0hcq32g026tb5rbtdfhog00kig9lp (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mumbato <mumbatoNO-SPAM (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

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I've been reading old posts about ATF+4, and wondered if it's
necessary for me to use it in my '87 LeBaron Town & Country wagon?
I'm planning a filter and fluid change soon, so any insights would be
welcome! Thanks.

Lee
No, ATF+4 is not necessary in an 87.

Current generation Dexron is fine.


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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-19-2004 , 07:33 PM



Richard Ehrenberg

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Best BY FAR in the 3-speeds is Type F!

Rick
Did you not see that this is a Chrysler group, not a Ford group?

Or do you run a transmission shop and this is your way to drum up business?


Matt



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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-19-2004 , 09:01 PM



In article <cdhp9601p20 (AT) enews1 (DOT) newsguy.com>,
Matt Whiting <whiting (AT) chilitech (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:
Richard Ehrenberg

Best BY FAR in the 3-speeds is Type F!

Rick

Did you not see that this is a Chrysler group, not a Ford group?
Type F was exclusive to Fords?

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Or do you run a transmission shop and this is your way to drum up business?
Yeah, in his spare time.... ;-)


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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-19-2004 , 09:45 PM



On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Neil Nelson wrote:

Quote:
Matt Whiting <whiting (AT) chilitech (DOT) net> wrote:

Richard Ehrenberg writes:

Best BY FAR in the 3-speeds is Type F!

Did you not see that this is a Chrysler group, not a Ford group?

Type F was exclusive to Fords?
And a (very) few imports. Ford quit speccing it in the very early '80s,
and it is growing harder to find as the vehicles calling for it are
retired from daily service. Type F fluid has not evolved or been developed
*at all* since the late '70s, so the notion is laughable that it's "Best
BY FAR!" in anything not specifically requiring its use.

Quote:
Or do you run a transmission shop and this is your way to drum up
business?

Yeah, in his spare time.... ;-)
Mr. Ehrenberg apparently buys into the notion that simply because Type-F
is a friction-UNmodified fluid that causes bang-screech shifts, it's "Best
BY FAR!". I suppose that might be true if you want to screech the tires
while trying for shorter 1/4-mile times (yawn), but most of us like our
transmissions to last.

DS



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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-19-2004 , 11:06 PM



In article
<Pine.GSO.4.58.0407192242080.7319 (AT) alumni (DOT) engin.umich.edu>,
"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern (AT) 127 (DOT) 0.0.1> wrote:

Quote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Neil Nelson wrote:

Matt Whiting <whiting (AT) chilitech (DOT) net> wrote:

Richard Ehrenberg writes:

Best BY FAR in the 3-speeds is Type F!

Did you not see that this is a Chrysler group, not a Ford group?

Type F was exclusive to Fords?

And a (very) few imports. Ford quit speccing it in the very early '80s,
and it is growing harder to find as the vehicles calling for it are
retired from daily service. Type F fluid has not evolved or been developed
*at all* since the late '70s, so the notion is laughable that it's "Best
BY FAR!" in anything not specifically requiring its use.
Agree 100%, I was just curious as to why Matt felt this post was
better suited to a Ford group since Type F fluid is not exclusive
to Ford transmissions.

Quote:
Or do you run a transmission shop and this is your way to drum up
business?

Yeah, in his spare time.... ;-)

Mr. Ehrenberg apparently buys into the notion that simply because Type-F
is a friction-UNmodified fluid that causes bang-screech shifts, it's "Best
BY FAR!". I suppose that might be true if you want to screech the tires
while trying for shorter 1/4-mile times (yawn), but most of us like our
transmissions to last.
He's entitled to his opinion. <shrug>


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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-20-2004 , 05:28 PM



Neil Nelson wrote:

Quote:
In article
Pine.GSO.4.58.0407192242080.7319 (AT...ngin.umich.edu>,
"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern (AT) 127 (DOT) 0.0.1> wrote:


On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Neil Nelson wrote:


Matt Whiting <whiting (AT) chilitech (DOT) net> wrote:

Richard Ehrenberg writes:


Best BY FAR in the 3-speeds is Type F!

Did you not see that this is a Chrysler group, not a Ford group?

Type F was exclusive to Fords?

And a (very) few imports. Ford quit speccing it in the very early '80s,
and it is growing harder to find as the vehicles calling for it are
retired from daily service. Type F fluid has not evolved or been developed
*at all* since the late '70s, so the notion is laughable that it's "Best
BY FAR!" in anything not specifically requiring its use.


Agree 100%, I was just curious as to why Matt felt this post was
better suited to a Ford group since Type F fluid is not exclusive
to Ford transmissions.
I never said it was exclusive to Fords, but I don't know of ANY Chrysler
product that spec'd it, so I don't think the recommendation to use it is
appropriate to this group.


Quote:
Or do you run a transmission shop and this is your way to drum up
business?

Yeah, in his spare time.... ;-)

Mr. Ehrenberg apparently buys into the notion that simply because Type-F
is a friction-UNmodified fluid that causes bang-screech shifts, it's "Best
BY FAR!". I suppose that might be true if you want to screech the tires
while trying for shorter 1/4-mile times (yawn), but most of us like our
transmissions to last.


He's entitled to his opinion. <shrug
Well, firm shifts WILL make the clutches last longer typically, but
other parts may not fair as well.


Matt



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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-20-2004 , 06:17 PM



In article <cdk6as014us (AT) enews4 (DOT) newsguy.com>,
Matt Whiting <whiting (AT) chilitech (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:
I never said it was exclusive to Fords,
Nor did I say that you did...

Quote:
but I don't know of ANY Chrysler
product that spec'd it, so I don't think the recommendation to use it is
appropriate to this group.
So, we should shun all comments about using something other than
what the factory 'spec'd" as OE?
Does that include headlights? Tires? Shock absorbers? Fog lamps?

Quote:
Well, firm shifts WILL make the clutches last longer typically, but
other parts may not fair as well.

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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-20-2004 , 06:35 PM



Neil Nelson wrote:

Quote:
In article <cdk6as014us (AT) enews4 (DOT) newsguy.com>,
Matt Whiting <whiting (AT) chilitech (DOT) net> wrote:

but I don't know of ANY Chrysler
product that spec'd it, so I don't think the recommendation to use it is
appropriate to this group.


So, we should shun all comments about using something other than
what the factory 'spec'd" as OE?
Does that include headlights? Tires? Shock absorbers? Fog lamps?
Because it was a stupid comment containing very bad advice.

Matt



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Default Re: Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C - 07-20-2004 , 07:19 PM



On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Neil Nelson wrote:

Quote:
In article <cdk6as014us (AT) enews4 (DOT) newsguy.com>,
Matt Whiting <whiting (AT) chilitech (DOT) net> wrote:
<snip MW's usual lamebrained piffle>

Neil, this is why I'm so pleased with my newsreader's killfile
capabilities. With just a few keyclicks, I can exclude whomever I want
from my view of whatever which newsgroup. I can set it so that only posts
from a particular individual don't show up but posts *quoting* that
individual do, I can set it so an individual's posts _and_ quotes/threads
of those posts never show up for me, I can filter on content or
meta-content or originating server or whatever...it's really quick and
easy, and has made Usenet a much nicer place. You may want to look into
such capabilities in your own newsreader.



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