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Default Re: Plastic Pig - 07-01-2006 , 01:46 AM







Willy Eckerslyke <oss108no_spam (AT) bangor (DOT) ac.uk> wrote


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Apparently the engines are sweet little alloy jobs good for putting in
hovercrafts and the like.

So if we see a Robin in a big rubber skirt, that will be yours then?

Jim




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Default Re: Plastic Pig - 07-01-2006 , 11:33 AM







"Jim Warren" <jimwarren (AT) OMITblueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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bongo rule <deeeenoregistrar (AT) hotmail (DOT) co.uk_> wrote in message
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pity you need a bike license to drive one these days.

I am not sure that you do.

The original idea of the Robin was that it had 3 wheels and was kept under
a
particular weight (7cwt I think) so that it could be taxed as a motor
tricycle rather than as a car, which saved a lot of money.

A quirk in the regulations meant that you could then drive one if you
didn't
have a car licence, but you did have a full motorcycle licence. But you
didn't *need* a bike licence. You always could, and I believe still can,
drive one with a car licence.

There was a time when the phrase 'motor tricycle equipped with means of
reversing' appeared to be the decider of what sort of licence you needed.
Reverse gear = car licence, no reverse = motorcycle one. Probably not as
simple as that these days, but I don't think I'll ever need to find out.
Mind you, the OP probably thought that too ;-)

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Default Re: Plastic Pig - 07-01-2006 , 12:07 PM



The message <e867s7$p2t$1 (AT) nntp (DOT) aioe.org>
from "R.N. Robinson" <ronrob (AT) frumiousbandersnatch (DOT) freeserve.co.uk>
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There was a time when the phrase 'motor tricycle equipped with means of
reversing' appeared to be the decider of what sort of licence you needed.
Reverse gear = car licence, no reverse = motorcycle one. Probably not as
simple as that these days, but I don't think I'll ever need to find out.
Mind you, the OP probably thought that too ;-)
I also have a faint memory of reverse gear having some significance on
trikes but can't recall what. Perhaps taxation class.

I have just had a look at my driving licence. This particular scrap of
paper dates from 1978 and in those days group C was "Any motor tricycle
(other than an invalid carriage) weighing not more than 410kg unladen".

There is no group for tricycles over the weight limit so I think group C
must be there to give group D (Motor Bicycle) licence holders the
opportunity to drive light trikes.

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Default Re: Plastic Pig - 07-02-2006 , 03:07 AM



On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:07:08 +0100, Roger <roger (AT) nospam (DOT) zetnet.co.uk>
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The message <e867s7$p2t$1 (AT) nntp (DOT) aioe.org
from "R.N. Robinson" <ronrob (AT) frumiousbandersnatch (DOT) freeserve.co.uk
contains these words:

There was a time when the phrase 'motor tricycle equipped with means of
reversing' appeared to be the decider of what sort of licence you needed.
Reverse gear = car licence, no reverse = motorcycle one. Probably not as
simple as that these days, but I don't think I'll ever need to find out.
Mind you, the OP probably thought that too ;-)

I also have a faint memory of reverse gear having some significance on
trikes but can't recall what. Perhaps taxation class.

I have just had a look at my driving licence. This particular scrap of
paper dates from 1978 and in those days group C was "Any motor tricycle
(other than an invalid carriage) weighing not more than 410kg unladen".

There is no group for tricycles over the weight limit so I think group C
must be there to give group D (Motor Bicycle) licence holders the
opportunity to drive light trikes.

If you passed your test before 2002 that you can use a bike or car
license provided you have had D1 added to it.

If after the you need a car license to ride a trike and have D1

Robins no longer come under tricycle. Thats why you see so many robin
'trikes' on EBay, they didn't change the log book and now under the
new MOT you can't have them as trikes and they need a SVA test
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Default Re: Plastic Pig - 07-02-2006 , 04:01 AM



In article <313030303131343444A6B9CC03 (AT) nospam (DOT) zetnet.co.uk>,
Roger <roger (AT) nospam (DOT) zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
Quote:
There was a time when the phrase 'motor tricycle equipped with means
of reversing' appeared to be the decider of what sort of licence you
needed. Reverse gear = car licence, no reverse = motorcycle one.
Probably not as simple as that these days, but I don't think I'll
ever need to find out. Mind you, the OP probably thought that too ;-)

I also have a faint memory of reverse gear having some significance on
trikes but can't recall what. Perhaps taxation class.
As regards driving licence what Ron said. There were quite a few bubble
cars without reverse so they could be driven on a motorcycle licence. Not
sure about any Reliant, though, since many used Austin 7 mechanicals.
Maybe early ones.

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Default Re: Plastic Pig - 07-02-2006 , 07:00 PM



Jim Warren wrote:
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bongo rule <deeeenoregistrar (AT) hotmail (DOT) co.uk_> wrote in message
news:tv6pg.15880$1g.13925 (AT) newsfe1-win (DOT) ntli.net...

pity you need a bike license to drive one these days.


I am not sure that you do.

The original idea of the Robin was that it had 3 wheels and was kept under a
particular weight (7cwt I think) so that it could be taxed as a motor
tricycle rather than as a car, which saved a lot of money.

A quirk in the regulations meant that you could then drive one if you didn't
have a car licence, but you did have a full motorcycle licence. But you
didn't *need* a bike licence. You always could, and I believe still can,
drive one with a car licence.
As I understand it, a car license is fine for trikes like the Reliant,
but the loophole that a full bike license (before x date?) was alright
ONLY for three wheelers was revised so it was for vehicles of a certain
weight; hence the 4-wheeled microcars. At some point it was also
required that the vehicles lack reverse, IIRC.

One of my mates up here had a full bike licence, used to drive three
wheelers, but found a Reliant Kitten just fits in the weight, so got one
of those. He got a full car license, so it's not an issue now.

Richard

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Default Re: Plastic Pig - 07-02-2006 , 07:02 PM



Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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In article <313030303131343444A6B9CC03 (AT) nospam (DOT) zetnet.co.uk>,
Roger <roger (AT) nospam (DOT) zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

There was a time when the phrase 'motor tricycle equipped with means
of reversing' appeared to be the decider of what sort of licence you
needed. Reverse gear = car licence, no reverse = motorcycle one.
Probably not as simple as that these days, but I don't think I'll
ever need to find out. Mind you, the OP probably thought that too ;-)


I also have a faint memory of reverse gear having some significance on
trikes but can't recall what. Perhaps taxation class.


As regards driving licence what Ron said. There were quite a few bubble
cars without reverse so they could be driven on a motorcycle licence. Not
sure about any Reliant, though, since many used Austin 7 mechanicals.
Maybe early ones.
My dad's Berkely T60 lacked reverse, IIRC; they had blanking plates on
many of these vehicles and of course had the reverse gear in the gearbox.

Richard

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am to assume I am not allowed to do it". * 64 is 128 for email *


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Default Re: Plastic Pig - 07-03-2006 , 12:50 AM




RichardK <atari (AT) NOSPAMbtconnect (DOT) com> wrote

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My dad's Berkely T60 lacked reverse, IIRC; they had blanking plates on
many of these vehicles and of course had the reverse gear in the gearbox.

Some (the Messerschmitt comes to mind but there were probably others) had a
facility for running the engine backwards (you can do that with a 2-stroke
if you retard the timing enough and spin it backwards). Then you had 4
reverse gears but no forwards!

Jim




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Default Re: Plastic Pig - 07-03-2006 , 02:36 AM



In article <1f2qg.95234$wl.40290 (AT) text (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
Jim Warren <jimwarren (AT) OMITblueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
Quote:
Some (the Messerschmitt comes to mind but there were probably others)
had a facility for running the engine backwards (you can do that with a
2-stroke if you retard the timing enough and spin it backwards). Then
you had 4 reverse gears but no forwards!
Thought the Messerschmitt was a four stroke?

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Default Re: Plastic Pig - 07-03-2006 , 04:26 AM



On 2 Jul 2006 "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave (AT) davenoise (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Quote:
As regards driving licence what Ron said. There were quite a few
bubble cars without reverse so they could be driven on a motorcycle
licence. Not sure about any Reliant, though, since many used Austin 7
mechanicals. Maybe early ones.
What about the early Reliant trycicle vans which I think had front
forks and handlebars (or was it a quadrant shaped tiller)? When I were
a lad (about four) our chimney sweep had one of them but I wasn't
interested in the mechanical niceties then!

I don't think the Bond Minicar had a reverse, but you could swing the
front wheel (and engine) round at least 90 degrees, so it could turn
in its own length. Some of the more recent trikes (DRKs, JZRs, Hudson
Spirits, etc) don't have reverse so have to be pushed backwards.

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