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Les Rose
 
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Default Re: Herald chassis repair questions - 07-03-2003 , 04:50 PM







"MrT" <practicalclassics (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote

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After checking out my dodgy MOT fail sheet (spot the garage trying to rip
me
off!) for my poor little Herald 13/60 convertible, I need to do the
following:

Small patch in OSF inner wing about 30x15mm.
Small patch (each side) in floor towards base of B pillar about 30x30mm.
Small patch on leading edge of OSF outrigger about 20x20mm.

Now the bigger bits:

Both chassis side rails need repairs (quite large ones, so I might as well
replace them), as does the outer 150mm of the OS centre outrigger on all
three sides.
I realise the cosmetic sills unscrew, and I've got a pair of step repair
panels that I may as well fit at the same time, but is it possible to
replace the chassis side rails with the body in situ? And can I simply
patch
up a new end for the outrigger, as it looks physically impossible to cut
the
old one off with the body in situ and the car on standard axle stands? Do
you reckon I could accomplish this little lot in a weekend (I'm a pretty
good welder and metalworker!)?

As ever, help and advice from those more knowledgeable about Heralds than
myself is much appreciated!

Dale Turley
http://www.practicalclassics.btinternet.co.uk
'66 Singer Vogue IV (Brit Difrunt)
'71 Triumph Herald 13/60 convertible
'73 Honda CB250K4
'01 Peugeot 306 Meridian
'02 Citroen C3 1.4HDi 16v Exclusive


I'm no expert on these cars (or even an amateur), but I do remember shoring
up a friend's Herald chassis with bolted on angle iron about 35 years ago.
It looked a bit like a bedstead afterwards. Anyway, at the time we were able
to do this with the body on, but perhaps my specs are rose-tinted these
days.




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Default Re: Herald chassis repair questions - 07-04-2003 , 03:30 AM






MrT wrote:

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Both chassis side rails need repairs (quite large ones, so I might as well
replace them), as does the outer 150mm of the OS centre outrigger on all
three sides.
I realise the cosmetic sills unscrew, and I've got a pair of step repair
panels that I may as well fit at the same time, but is it possible to
replace the chassis side rails with the body in situ?
I don't see why not. The body mounting bolts pass through them, so
you'll need to remove them first. Unless your car has been botched in
the past, the side rails should then just knock off. They're not welded
on, just held in place by the bolts.

Quote:
And can I simply patch
up a new end for the outrigger, as it looks physically impossible to cut the
old one off with the body in situ and the car on standard axle stands?
You'd only be able to weld the sides and not the top, which may be an
issue. As it's only a "temporary" repair, you could box in the bottom to
add strength back in (and hide the lack of weld at the top!).
Alternatively, I'm trying to think whether removing the gearbox tunnel
cover would give you enough access to do the job properly and replace
the whole outrigger. It just about does on the Vitesse with overdrive,
dunno about the Herald. You may need to use a hammer and chisel instead
of an angle grinder to cut off the old one, but the main chassis rails
should be tough enough to stand up to that.

Quote:
Do
you reckon I could accomplish this little lot in a weekend (I'm a pretty
good welder and metalworker!)?
Possible, I'd have thought. Not sure about including the step repair
panels though, that might be pushing it a bit. And are you sure you're
not going to find any other nasties while you're at it?

Good luck!



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Default Re: Herald chassis repair questions - 07-04-2003 , 03:46 AM




Willy Eckerslyke <oss108no_spam (AT) bangor (DOT) ac.uk> wrote

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I don't see why not. The body mounting bolts pass through them, so
you'll need to remove them first. Unless your car has been botched in
the past, the side rails should then just knock off. They're not welded
on, just held in place by the bolts.
The siderails are (or at least should be) welded to the outriggers, but not
to the body. Common bodges include not welding the siderails, or (worse)
welding them to the body.......

Quote:
you reckon I could accomplish this little lot in a weekend (I'm a pretty
good welder and metalworker!)?

Possible, I'd have thought. Not sure about including the step repair
panels though, that might be pushing it a bit. And are you sure you're
not going to find any other nasties while you're at it?
The step repairs are double skinned and can provide some grief if the body
mounts beneath are also rotted. A single skin replacement can be dropped in
quickly, but if you decide to restore the area with the double skin then it
can be quite a fiddly job (but worth it for the improved appearance IMHO),
Cheers,
Bill.

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Default Re: Herald chassis repair questions - 07-04-2003 , 04:11 AM



William Davies wrote:
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Willy Eckerslyke <oss108no_spam (AT) bangor (DOT) ac.uk> wrote in message
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I don't see why not. The body mounting bolts pass through them, so
you'll need to remove them first. Unless your car has been botched in
the past, the side rails should then just knock off. They're not welded
on, just held in place by the bolts.

The siderails are (or at least should be) welded to the outriggers, but not
to the body. Common bodges include not welding the siderails,
Ho hum!
Not my fault, it was like that when I bought it, honest.
Doesn't seem to be causing a problem, but thanks for pointing it out.



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William Davies
 
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Default Re: Herald chassis repair questions - 07-04-2003 , 10:05 AM




Willy Eckerslyke <oss108no_spam (AT) bangor (DOT) ac.uk> wrote

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William Davies wrote:

The siderails are (or at least should be) welded to the outriggers, but
not
to the body. Common bodges include not welding the siderails,

Ho hum!
Not my fault, it was like that when I bought it, honest.
Doesn't seem to be causing a problem, but thanks for pointing it out.
As I suggested it's very common. In theory it will allow a little more body
flex - as if we'd notice that on a Herald or Vitesse!
Cheers,
Bill.

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