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Richard Porter
 
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Default Re: Mandatory insurance - 07-28-2006 , 06:43 PM






On 27 Jul 2006 Richard Polhill <richard.news (AT) polhill (DOT) vispa.invalid>
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Basically a car needs to be specifically covered by an insurance
policy whilst on the road. There is no change to this part of the law.

The change is that any car, even if it is never ON the road, still
needs to have an insurance policy OR be declared SORN. It is analogous
with the new road fund licence laws that now state that a vehicle
needs to be either taxed or declared SORN whether or not it us driven
on the road.
The difference this makes as far as most of us are concerned, is that
if the insurance runs out before the tax runs out and you don't intend
to renew it, then you have to SORN the car straight away rather than
waiting until the tax expires. It's quite easy for tax and insurance
and MOT to get out of sync.

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Jim Warren
 
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Default Re: Mandatory insurance - 07-29-2006 , 02:01 AM







Richard Porter <dontusethis (AT) address (DOT) uk.invalid> wrote

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The difference this makes as far as most of us are concerned, is that
if the insurance runs out before the tax runs out and you don't intend
to renew it, then you have to SORN the car straight away rather than
waiting until the tax expires. It's quite easy for tax and insurance
and MOT to get out of sync.

The trouble is that some of us carefully do that so that there is a few
months available for saving up before paying the bills. When I first bought
my 2000, I started with a 6-month road tax (and have renewed it annually
ever since) so that there is a half year gap between tax and insurance.
Likewise, although both it and my PI are on the same insurance, they have
staggered MOT dates so that I can use one to collect spares for the other if
spares are needed.

It will be a nuisance if my best laid plans are undone by some parliamentary
clown and his latest spiffing wheeze to justify his seat and his gold plated
pension.

Jim




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Richard Polhill
 
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Default Re: Mandatory insurance - 07-31-2006 , 10:20 AM



Richard Porter wrote:

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The trouble is they shoot themselves in the foot because the extra
pollution and emissions caused by running an older car with a low
annual milage are dwarfed by those generated by the manufacture of a
new car and the scrapping of the old one. I suspect that it's the
motor manufacturers' lobby that wants to get rid of old cars.

We have motor manufacturers that can muster up enough weight to lobby with? At
last count I thought our biggest manufacturers were TVR, Caterham and JCB. ;-)


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Richard Porter
 
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Default Re: Mandatory insurance - 07-31-2006 , 10:46 AM



On 31 Jul 2006 Richard Polhill <richard.news (AT) polhill (DOT) vispa.invalid>
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Richard Porter wrote:

... I suspect that it's the motor manufacturers' lobby that wants to
get rid of old cars.


We have motor manufacturers that can muster up enough weight to lobby
with? At last count I thought our biggest manufacturers were TVR,
Caterham and JCB. ;-)
I thought TVR was Russian? Morgan, perhaps

Seriously though, several big car makers manufacture or assemble in
the UK and can threaten to take their factories elsewhere.

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Adrian
 
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Default Re: Mandatory insurance - 07-31-2006 , 04:55 PM



Richard Porter (dontusethis (AT) address (DOT) uk.invalid) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :

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... I suspect that it's the motor manufacturers' lobby that wants to
get rid of old cars.

We have motor manufacturers that can muster up enough weight to lobby
with? At last count I thought our biggest manufacturers were TVR,
Caterham and JCB. ;-)

I thought TVR was Russian? Morgan, perhaps
British owned - almost certainly Manganese Bronze.
British production - probably Nissan or Toyota or Honda.


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JNugent
 
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Default Re: Mandatory insurance - 08-02-2006 , 05:22 AM



Nick Finnigan wrote:

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Christian McArdle wrote:

Actually BT don't HAVE insurance as they have so many vehicles. They
lodge a bond (£500,000 if my memory serves)

I think it's a damn sight bigger than that now.

Actually, the bond required is much smaller. Ridiculously small, in fact.
Barely enough to cover a wing mirror. Personally, I think that this
method
of "insurance" should not be allowed. At least not without some
evidence of
reinsurance for large claims.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991...n_2.htm#mdiv20
confirms Gordon's memory.
Good link.

Worth keeping.


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Christian McArdle
 
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Default Re: Mandatory insurance - 08-02-2006 , 05:53 AM



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Barely enough to cover a wing mirror. Personally, I think that this
method of "insurance" should not be allowed. At least not without
some evidence of reinsurance for large claims.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991...n_2.htm#mdiv20
confirms Gordon's memory.

Good link.
Nice one. I was probably remembering the original 1988 Act amount and did
not realise that a slightly more realistic figure had been substituted.

Christian.




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Grimly Curmudgeon
 
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Default Re: Mandatory insurance - 08-03-2006 , 01:16 PM



We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Christian McArdle"
<cmcardle75 (AT) nospam (DOT) yahooxxxx.co.uk> saying something like:

Quote:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991...n_2.htm#mdiv20
confirms Gordon's memory.

Good link.

Nice one. I was probably remembering the original 1988 Act amount and did
not realise that a slightly more realistic figure had been substituted.
I'm surprised it was as low as 15grand up to so recently. I was under
the impression from decades ago it was 25K or so and that was in 1974 or
thereabouts. Perhaps that was just Scotland, though.
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Dave
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JNugent
 
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Default Re: Mandatory insurance - 08-03-2006 , 02:33 PM



Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Christian McArdle"
cmcardle75 (AT) nospam (DOT) yahooxxxx.co.uk> saying something like:


http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991...n_2.htm#mdiv20
confirms Gordon's memory.

Good link.

Nice one. I was probably remembering the original 1988 Act amount and did
not realise that a slightly more realistic figure had been substituted.


I'm surprised it was as low as 15grand up to so recently. I was under
the impression from decades ago it was 25K or so and that was in 1974 or
thereabouts. Perhaps that was just Scotland, though.
Hmm... £500,000, eh?

What can you safely get on that on deposit?

Say 3%?

£15,000 could buy you a lot of motor insurance. But for a fleet operator,
well, maybe...


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Roger
 
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Default Re: Mandatory insurance - 08-03-2006 , 04:01 PM



The message <l9f4d2l7pgkf3mshdbvompunaq315b5r7r (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>
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I'm surprised it was as low as 15grand up to so recently. I was under
the impression from decades ago it was 25K or so and that was in 1974 or
thereabouts. Perhaps that was just Scotland, though.
I can recall the figure of £15000 from when I first learnt to drive
(1961). I thought it was low then but I presume the idea is that if you
had that sort of money to put on ice then you would have plenty more
assets to finance a really big claim.

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