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Willy Eckerslyke
 
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Default Re: Rover V8 in a Spitfire - 07-04-2003 , 04:17 AM






Andy Dingley wrote:
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On 3 Jul 2003 14:41:01 GMT, Sean Hamerton <hamerton (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com
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I brought up the idea of putting a rover V8 into a Spitfire, and he thought
it would be fairly easy to acheive.

It also breaks the synchros in a standard gearbox and the original
diff won't last five minutes. Given the design of the rear end, it;s
hard to fit a substitute.
But possible, as a fellow in New Zealand has shown by fitting Datsun
180B diffs to Heralds and Vitesses:
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/lghrnrm/tessapg2.htm

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I just wouldn't do it.
Neither would I, but links from the above page show some intriguing
alternatives.



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Default Re: Rover V8 in a Spitfire - 07-05-2003 , 02:19 AM







"Sean Hamerton" <hamerton (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

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I was talking with my next door neighbour today, and he has recently
transplanted a 3.5 litre rover V8 into his mk1 Landrover.

I brought up the idea of putting a rover V8 into a Spitfire, and he
thought
it would be fairly easy to acheive.

How realistic is this idea, and what would the major problems with such a
transplant?

Any constructive feedback is greatly appreciated.

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Sean Hamerton.

Don't be silly the chassis simply isn't man enough as are the rear
suspenson, transmision and rear brakes.
When building any kind of special you have got to consider the vehicle as a
whole not just a slot to put an engine.





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Default Re: Rover V8 in a Spitfire - 07-05-2003 , 02:22 AM




"PJML" <pjml (AT) nerc (DOT) ac.uk.loopback> wrote

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Sean Hamerton wrote:

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If you insist on doing this, I'd perhaps suggest you
look at fitting something like a Jaguar independent-
rear-suspension unit, since this comes with disc
brakes and rear driveshafts that have some chance
of surviving Rover-V8-style torque.

Ever lifted a Jag rear suspension -- its heavier than the Spifire body tub
& chassis combined :-()




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Default Re: Rover V8 in a Spitfire - 07-06-2003 , 07:30 AM




"Sean Hamerton" <hamerton (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

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Any constructive feedback is greatly appreciated.
Why not just buy a Sunbeam Tiger? Small car, huge engine, similar results, I
would think (great in a straight line, dodgy round corners). No?




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Default Re: Rover V8 in a Spitfire - 07-06-2003 , 11:06 AM



In article <719beea4e7b7384c95696ec1abdd1f3d (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com>,
The Blue Max <brunostachel (AT) Jasta1 (DOT) com> wrote:
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Why not just buy a Sunbeam Tiger?
Cost?

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Default Re: Rover V8 in a Spitfire - 07-06-2003 , 12:42 PM




"Dave Plowman" <dave.sound (AT) argonet (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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In article <719beea4e7b7384c95696ec1abdd1f3d (AT) free (DOT) teranews.com>,
The Blue Max <brunostachel (AT) Jasta1 (DOT) com> wrote:
Why not just buy a Sunbeam Tiger?

Cost?

But at least he'd be able to find someone to insure it ;-)

Ron Robinson



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Default Re: Rover V8 in a Spitfire - 07-06-2003 , 02:39 PM



"Sean Hamerton" <hamerton (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

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I brought up the idea of putting a rover V8 into a Spitfire, and he
thought
it would be fairly easy to acheive.

Sean Hamerton.


Is this the kind of thing you were thinking about?
http://www.westpro.com/Beast.html "The Beast", a 1964 Spitfire powered by a
Chevrolet 350 cid engine

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J

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Default Re: Rover V8 in a Spitfire - 07-07-2003 , 12:14 AM




"The Blue Max" <brunostachel (AT) Jasta1 (DOT) com> wrote

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"Sean Hamerton" <hamerton (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

Any constructive feedback is greatly appreciated.

Why not just buy a Sunbeam Tiger? Small car, huge engine, similar results,
I
would think (great in a straight line, dodgy round corners). No?


Tigers corner very nicely (a lot better than a Spitfire) -- but not that
fast in straight line with the standard engines although they do have
fabulous bottom end torque.




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Default Re: Rover V8 in a Spitfire - 07-07-2003 , 03:49 AM



Having read all the replies I am a bit surprised you've not had one from
someone who has actually done it.
Chap I work with has a Rover V8 in his hurricane. He races all over the
place for fun...in fact we're off to the Nurburg in a month. I have a
feeling that he runs a pretty standard diff/clutch/gearbox and doesn't
have problems. THe thing he does say is to make sure everything is
working as it should. You'll get more info from his site.
http://www.vincenthurricane.co.uk/Te.../Technical.htm

Contact him through the vincent hurricane site. He's the founder of the
car.

Hope he can help.
Matt

Sean Hamerton wrote:
Quote:
I was talking with my next door neighbour today, and he has recently
transplanted a 3.5 litre rover V8 into his mk1 Landrover.

I brought up the idea of putting a rover V8 into a Spitfire, and he thought
it would be fairly easy to acheive.

How realistic is this idea, and what would the major problems with such a
transplant?

Any constructive feedback is greatly appreciated.

--

Sean Hamerton.

Ahead Groove Factor Five. YEAH!

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Default Re: Rover V8 in a Spitfire - 07-07-2003 , 01:51 PM



Quote:
I was talking with my next door neighbour today, and he has recently
transplanted a 3.5 litre rover V8 into his mk1 Landrover.

I brought up the idea of putting a rover V8 into a Spitfire, and he
thought
it would be fairly easy to acheive.

How realistic is this idea, and what would the major problems with such a
transplant?

Any constructive feedback is greatly appreciated.
Even the first production Spitfires had Merlins which put out over 1000HP, I
doubt that you'd even be able to take off with the puny a 3.5 litre Rover V8
up front. And the others are right - with such a change in centre of mass
the tail wheel/rear axle just won't be able to cope with the extra load -
let alone the effect on the flight dynamics.

However, if you're still unperturbed I remember seeing an article (I think
in the Jaguar Enthusiasts' Club mag) about a guy that built a scaled down
Spitfire and utilised a 'hot' Jaguar V12. Remember to consider how you'll
address the issue of the air density changing with altitude and I guess
you'll need to sort out some dry-sump lubrication or something...




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