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Default When are you too old to drive? - 04-05-2007 , 11:05 AM






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Default Re: When are you too old to drive? - 04-06-2007 , 04:22 AM






The date being 6 Apr 2007, "Jim Warren"
<jimwarren (AT) OMITblueyonder (DOT) co.uk> decided to write:

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My observation is that anybody who dawdles into a main road from a side
turning causing you to brake will turn off the main road again in less than
a mile.
That's very true, but the ones that pull out and get a move on don't
inconvenience you so you don't remember them.

Huge has shown that he has totally the wrong attitude to be allowed
anywhere near a motor vehicle on a public road. He won't think that
when he's 75 and there are no bus services and no local shops so using
a car to go to Tesco's is the only way to get food. Remember the CAT
acronym - Concentrate, Anticipate, Tolerate.

I think drivers should be retested every five years regardless of age.
It's no good having "30 years of driving experience" if what that
really amounts to is one year of experience and 29 years of
repetition. We have to keep our driving skills and knowledge up to
date, and a regular test would be a good way of doing that. It's
rediculous that I should have to have my car maintenance skills tested
every year but my driving skills were tested mandatorily only once
when I was 17. 95% of accidents are caused by road user error rather
than by mechanical failure or unroadworthy vehicles.

Incidentally has anyone seen the 2006 edition of the Highway Code
(with the green cover)? The bookshops around here are still selling
the obsolete 2004 revision of the 1999 edition.

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Default Re: When are you too old to drive? - 04-06-2007 , 10:39 AM




"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote

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Judging by the list of newsgroups this crap was spammed to and the fake
return address, it appears that the real point of this post is to piss
off as many people as possible. This is TROLL, nothing more.

As a cyclist, this is aggravating as it's hard enough to get drivers to
share the road without some moron like this guy encouraging them to
"knock us off".
Although I wouldn't go as far as advocating knocking someone off his/her
pushbike, it is bloody enfuriating when I (and no doubt many others as well)
come up behind 2 (or more) brain-dead self-centred cycling fucktards (and
yes, I appreciate that not all cyclists fall into that description) cycling
at least two-abreast on a main "A" road when the highway code clearly states
single file on "A" roads! Happens a lot around my neck of the woods,
creating frustration and congestion when there doesn't need to be.
Oh, and why do some cyclists have this exceedingly selfish "I'll cycle where
I want when I want because I can" attitude, ignoring the smooth, clean,
pothole-free specially-constructed £1.2million cycle-way in favour of
creating congestion on the rough-surfaced, dirty highway 3 yards away?? Now,
live and let live is all very well etc etc, but if I was to use their empty
cycleway on my motorbike or 4x4 (it's plenty wide enough!) I bet they'd be
up in arms! Wankers!
Badger.




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Default Re: When are you too old to drive? - 04-06-2007 , 05:32 PM




"Richard Porter" <dontusethis (AT) address (DOT) uk.invalid> wrote

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Huge has shown that he has totally the wrong attitude to be allowed
anywhere near a motor vehicle on a public road. He won't think that
when he's 75 and there are no bus services and no local shops so using
a car to go to Tesco's is the only way to get food. Remember the CAT
acronym - Concentrate, Anticipate, Tolerate.
I drive well over one thousand five hundred miles per week, this country is
full of sanctimonious wankers scared shitless
of getting a speeding ticket just like you, its been drummed into your tiny
little brain 'till the point that 24 mph has become the 'norm'

Bus drivers also deserve no special treatment now its a privatised
business.They'll get none from me
Its infuriating that some 'bus lanes' also are 'taxi' lanes, wheres my own
personal lane?

Its also infuriating when I queue, just to see some hypocritical fuck-face
like 'Richard' come hairing down the inside
of bus lane not giving a fuck!




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Default Re: When are you too old to drive? - 04-07-2007 , 01:17 AM




Badger <brianhatton (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote

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when I come up behind 2 (or more) cycling
at least two-abreast on a main "A" road ...
Sheer luxury! Round my way they usually ride on the pavement and expect the
pedestrians to get out of their way. The few who do use the road all seem
to be totally incapable of understanding what a red traffic light means.

Jim




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Default Re: When are you too old to drive? - 04-10-2007 , 07:18 AM



On 10 Apr 2007 06:37:48 GMT, Adrian wrote:

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And if an owner (& vehicle excise duty payer) of a motorcar decides to
ride a cycle, your attitude would be...

VED pays for the vehicle, not the user of the vehicle.

Your logic would mean that I don't need to buy a tax disc for each of my
cars, one is sufficient.
How does that follow?

An owner of two cars would be just as much a VED payer as an owner of one -
the amount is immaterial; it seems to be your claim that only those who
have paid VED can "have a say".

So, again, I ask, what would you say to an owner of a motorcar (and VED
payer) who decides to ride a cycle? It cannot be that because they have
not paid (for they have) that they should "have no say"?

For that matter, there are some motorcars for which the VED is zero -
should they also "have no say"?

Please explain yourself further.


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Default Re: When are you too old to drive? - 04-10-2007 , 08:05 AM



The date being 10 Apr 2007, _ <jtaylor (AT) NOSPAMeastlink (DOT) ca> decided to
write:

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On 10 Apr 2007 06:37:48 GMT, Adrian wrote:


And if an owner (& vehicle excise duty payer) of a motorcar decides to
ride a cycle, your attitude would be...

VED pays for the vehicle, not the user of the vehicle.

Your logic would mean that I don't need to buy a tax disc for each of my
cars, one is sufficient.

How does that follow?
We could have a system like they have in Switzerland. There, the
registration plate belongs to the driver, not the vehicle. It is
clipped into a holder on the car that the driver is using.

Quote:
An owner of two cars would be just as much a VED payer as an owner of one -
the amount is immaterial; it seems to be your claim that only those who
have paid VED can "have a say".

So, again, I ask, what would you say to an owner of a motorcar (and VED
payer) who decides to ride a cycle? It cannot be that because they have
not paid (for they have) that they should "have no say"?
We have laws and taxes, not because they are fair or sensible, but
because they are enforceable at not much cost. We ban the use of
hand-held mobile phones whilst driving, but not iPods.

Quote:
For that matter, there are some motorcars for which the VED is zero -
should they also "have no say"?
We should get rid of VED altogether. We should be taxing the use of
vehicles, not the ownership or parking of them. It is unfair that a
family which needs a large MPV but which also has a small car to use
when the MPV isn't needed pays a lot more than somebody who drives
around in a large MPV all the time. This also applies to the new
parking charges in Richmond, Surrey.

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Default Re: When are you too old to drive? - 04-10-2007 , 08:31 AM



Richard Porter <dontusethis (AT) address (DOT) uk.invalid> wrote:

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We should get rid of VED altogether. We should be taxing the use of
vehicles, not the ownership or parking of them.
The truth is that the use of vehicles is taxed, in the only way that
makes sense, in direct proportion to the use of fuel by fuel taxation.
The taxation is enormous and it's clear that the government has severe
issues over raising that taxation further when it already charges
taxation at the highest rate in Europe, possibly in the world.

Current move to increase taxation on vehicles has nothing to do with
"green" issues nor indeed with any deep seatd need to reduce the use of
personal transportation. It has everything to do with raising more
revenue for a spendthrift government.

To that end charges do not need to be fair, not indeed related in any
way to the reason given for the imposition of the tax.

Quote:
It is unfair that a family which needs a large MPV but which also has a
small car to use when the MPV isn't needed pays a lot more than somebody
who drives around in a large MPV all the time. This also applies to the
new parking charges in Richmond, Surrey.
Unfair, but no one in government (national or local) gives a damn. All
they want is the money.


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Default Re: When are you too old to drive? - 04-10-2007 , 10:53 AM



_ (jtaylor (AT) NOSPAMeastlink (DOT) ca) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

Quote:
And if an owner (& vehicle excise duty payer) of a motorcar decides
to ride a cycle, your attitude would be...

VED pays for the vehicle, not the user of the vehicle.

Your logic would mean that I don't need to buy a tax disc for each of
my cars, one is sufficient.

How does that follow?
Simple.

You claim somebody who pays VED on one vehicle can expect that VED to cover
their use of another vehicle.

I maintain it does not.

Quote:
An owner of two cars would be just as much a VED payer as an owner of
one - the amount is immaterial; it seems to be your claim that only
those who have paid VED can "have a say".
Not my claim.

Quote:
So, again, I ask, what would you say to an owner of a motorcar (and
VED payer) who decides to ride a cycle? It cannot be that because
they have not paid (for they have) that they should "have no say"?
They have not paid for the use of that vehicle on the road.

Quote:
For that matter, there are some motorcars for which the VED is zero -
should they also "have no say"?
If the vehicle is not covered by a current tax disc, then yes. They have
gone through the process required by law to cover their use of that vehicle
on the road, proved that they have MOT and insurance and that the vehicle
is correctly registered.


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Default Re: When are you too old to drive? - 04-10-2007 , 11:03 AM



Richard Porter (dontusethis (AT) address (DOT) uk.invalid) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying :

Quote:
We could have a system like they have in Switzerland. There, the
registration plate belongs to the driver, not the vehicle. It is
clipped into a holder on the car that the driver is using.
Presumably, vehicles parked on the road are required to have plates on
display?

Quote:
We have laws and taxes, not because they are fair or sensible, but
because they are enforceable at not much cost. We ban the use of
hand-held mobile phones whilst driving, but not iPods.
The law already bans people driving without paying sufficient attention to
the task in hand - no matter what the cause. The mobile phone ban merely
duplicates one offence with a second specific, less serious, offence.


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