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Re: electrical question -
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Roy wrote: "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134qt6doaj3fn98 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... Roy wrote: "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134qh8kaft2av47 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... How heavy would you use? *heavy*, Skippy! I think I already said that. C'mon crotch cannibal, that was a question. How *heavy*? Or is it beyond you to answer? Look if ya don't know(seems ya don't) roll over, give the Idiot a slap on the ass wake him up and ask him. I'm sure by now you've done some research and have some sort of a answer, don't ya troll boy? *WOW* your replies are getting short! There were several points worthy of further discussion, where did everything go??? My first answer to Big Al wasn't "profound" enough for you. Why don't you elaborate on it a bit? You probably, no, *definitely*, should comment on my assertion that connecting a 12V car battery to a 12V motorcycle might not be a good idea. Do you agree, or disagree, or have any thoughts at all? Tell us! How about the parallel battery setup that I called a poor design, Dodge does that don't they? I haven't seen Dodge's dual battery setup personally, but I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned here. And I don't recall ever seeing any negative comments about it. If it's as I think it is, then I just called it LOUSY, and nobody wants to comment? What do you think about it, Skippy? |
Still didn't answer the question.
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-- This explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go with his pin head and needle dick.  -- punkin |
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"Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134t1fojhmdhkd8 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... Roy wrote: "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134qt6doaj3fn98 (AT) corpsupernews (DOT) com... Roy wrote: "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134qh8kaft2av47 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... How heavy would you use? *heavy*, Skippy! I think I already said that. C'mon crotch cannibal, that was a question. How *heavy*? Or is it beyond you to answer? Look if ya don't know(seems ya don't) roll over, give the Idiot a slap on the ass wake him up and ask him. I'm sure by now you've done some research and have some sort of a answer, don't ya troll boy? *WOW* your replies are getting short! There were several points worthy of further discussion, where did everything go??? My first answer to Big Al wasn't "profound" enough for you. Why don't you elaborate on it a bit? You probably, no, *definitely*, should comment on my assertion that connecting a 12V car battery to a 12V motorcycle might not be a good idea. Do you agree, or disagree, or have any thoughts at all? Tell us! How about the parallel battery setup that I called a poor design, Dodge does that don't they? I haven't seen Dodge's dual battery setup personally, but I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned here. And I don't recall ever seeing any negative comments about it. If it's as I think it is, then I just called it LOUSY, and nobody wants to comment? What do you think about it, Skippy? Well, took ya some time to get cleaned up. Still didn't answer the question. |
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This explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy
made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go
with his pin head and needle dick.
-- punkin
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In article <134qh8kaft2av47 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com>, Beryl <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote: The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. Apparently you don't understand the function of the relay in this circuit or how it works. |
Big Al described this:
"You need to isolate the trailer
battery while the truck is cranking."
And you're going on to describe something *entirely different* below.
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When the truck is parked and the ignition is switched off, the batteries are isolated from each other preventing the vehicle battery from being discharged from electrical usage in the trailer. i.e., the relay is not energized, there is no direct positive cable connection between the two batteries. Two batteries in parallel isn't the best setup either. The weaker battery will draw the stronger one down to its level. Won't happen. The only time the two batteries are connected together is when the tow vehicle's engine is running via the now energized isolation relay, if the engine is running, the circuit voltage to both batteries is higher that the static open circuit voltage of the batteries, the batteries are now being charged, there is no "weaker" battery. Differences in internal resistance between the two batteries will cause the battery with lower resistance to draw more current, but that is the only difference. This may not matter much with a popup camping trailer that sees only occasional use, but is a poor design when two or more batteries are always tied together. The batteries -aren't- always tied together. the only time they are tied together is when the engine is running and they are being charged. You should endeavor to learn how a properly connected isolation relay works. (assuming that you can find time in between calling people names) |
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This explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy
made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go
with his pin head and needle dick.
-- punkin
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Neil Nelson wrote: In article <134qh8kaft2av47 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com>, Beryl <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote: The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. Apparently you don't understand the function of the relay in this circuit or how it works. There is no "this circuit". |
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Big Al described this: "You need to isolate the trailer battery while the truck is cranking." |
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And you're going on to describe something *entirely different* below. |
I said) you don't know what the circuit does or how it functions.
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When the truck is parked and the ignition is switched off, the batteries are isolated from each other preventing the vehicle battery from being discharged from electrical usage in the trailer. i.e., the relay is not energized, there is no direct positive cable connection between the two batteries. Two batteries in parallel isn't the best setup either. The weaker battery will draw the stronger one down to its level. Won't happen. The only time the two batteries are connected together is when the tow vehicle's engine is running via the now energized isolation relay, if the engine is running, the circuit voltage to both batteries is higher that the static open circuit voltage of the batteries, the batteries are now being charged, there is no "weaker" battery. Differences in internal resistance between the two batteries will cause the battery with lower resistance to draw more current, but that is the only difference. This may not matter much with a popup camping trailer that sees only occasional use, but is a poor design when two or more batteries are always tied together. The batteries -aren't- always tied together. the only time they are tied together is when the engine is running and they are being charged. You should endeavor to learn how a properly connected isolation relay works. (assuming that you can find time in between calling people names) Boo-hoo. |
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In article <134vghmcbjan57f (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com>, Beryl <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote: Neil Nelson wrote: In article <134qh8kaft2av47 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com>, Beryl <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote: The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. Apparently you don't understand the function of the relay in this circuit or how it works. There is no "this circuit". Sure there is. OEMs have been making them available for tears. |
many circuits.
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Big Al described this: "You need to isolate the trailer battery while the truck is cranking." I don't really care how Big Al described it. |
replied to.
"You need to isolate the trailer battery while the truck is cranking.
Otherwise the trailer battery will try to help feed the starter. You can
use a relay connected to the radio feed, the radio goes off when
cranking." - Big Al
"When the truck is parked and the ignition is switched off, the
batteries are isolated from each other preventing the vehicle
battery from being discharged from electrical usage in the
trailer. i.e., the relay is not energized, there is no direct
positive cable connection between the two batteries." - Neil
Is the ignition switched off when cranking? Um, no, better not be.
So then, you have the batteries connected while cranking, and Al has
them isolated at the same time. Are you both talking about the same circuit?
You claimed that in "this circuit" the only time they are tied together
is when the engine is running. But Al has them tied together whenever
the radio will play. Is that the same thing?
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And you're going on to describe something *entirely different* below. Nope, not entirely different. Just appears so to you because (as I said) you don't know what the circuit does or how it functions. |
about your circuit instead. Go ahead...
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When the truck is parked and the ignition is switched off, the batteries are isolated from each other preventing the vehicle battery from being discharged from electrical usage in the trailer. i.e., the relay is not energized, there is no direct positive cable connection between the two batteries. Two batteries in parallel isn't the best setup either. The weaker battery will draw the stronger one down to its level. Won't happen. The only time the two batteries are connected together is when the tow vehicle's engine is running via the now energized isolation relay, if the engine is running, the circuit voltage to both batteries is higher that the static open circuit voltage of the batteries, the batteries are now being charged, there is no "weaker" battery. Differences in internal resistance between the two batteries will cause the battery with lower resistance to draw more current, but that is the only difference. This may not matter much with a popup camping trailer that sees only occasional use, but is a poor design when two or more batteries are always tied together. The batteries -aren't- always tied together. the only time they are tied together is when the engine is running and they are being charged. You should endeavor to learn how a properly connected isolation relay works. (assuming that you can find time in between calling people names) Boo-hoo. So true! |
--
This explains it ALL!!! He was home schooled and his mommy
made his GES diploma for him out of needle point, to go
with his pin head and needle dick.
-- punkin
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Roy wrote: "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134t1fojhmdhkd8 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... Roy wrote: "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134qt6doaj3fn98 (AT) corpsupernews (DOT) com... Roy wrote: "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134qh8kaft2av47 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... How heavy would you use? *heavy*, Skippy! I think I already said that. C'mon crotch cannibal, that was a question. How *heavy*? Or is it beyond you to answer? Look if ya don't know(seems ya don't) roll over, give the Idiot a slap on the ass wake him up and ask him. I'm sure by now you've done some research and have some sort of a answer, don't ya troll boy? *WOW* your replies are getting short! There were several points worthy of further discussion, where did everything go??? My first answer to Big Al wasn't "profound" enough for you. Why don't you elaborate on it a bit? You probably, no, *definitely*, should comment on my assertion that connecting a 12V car battery to a 12V motorcycle might not be a good idea. Do you agree, or disagree, or have any thoughts at all? Tell us! How about the parallel battery setup that I called a poor design, Dodge does that don't they? I haven't seen Dodge's dual battery setup personally, but I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned here. And I don't recall ever seeing any negative comments about it. If it's as I think it is, then I just called it LOUSY, and nobody wants to comment? What do you think about it, Skippy? Well, took ya some time to get cleaned up. Still didn't answer the question. LOL! |
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"Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134vg1ref80ep5a (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... Roy wrote: "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134t1fojhmdhkd8 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... Roy wrote: "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134qt6doaj3fn98 (AT) corpsupernews (DOT) com... Roy wrote: "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134qh8kaft2av47 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... How heavy would you use? *heavy*, Skippy! I think I already said that. C'mon crotch cannibal, that was a question. How *heavy*? Or is it beyond you to answer? Look if ya don't know(seems ya don't) roll over, give the Idiot a slap on the ass wake him up and ask him. I'm sure by now you've done some research and have some sort of a answer, don't ya troll boy? *WOW* your replies are getting short! There were several points worthy of further discussion, where did everything go??? My first answer to Big Al wasn't "profound" enough for you. Why don't you elaborate on it a bit? You probably, no, *definitely*, should comment on my assertion that connecting a 12V car battery to a 12V motorcycle might not be a good idea. Do you agree, or disagree, or have any thoughts at all? Tell us! How about the parallel battery setup that I called a poor design, Dodge does that don't they? I haven't seen Dodge's dual battery setup personally, but I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned here. And I don't recall ever seeing any negative comments about it. If it's as I think it is, then I just called it LOUSY, and nobody wants to comment? What do you think about it, Skippy? Well, took ya some time to get cleaned up. Still didn't answer the question. LOL! WTF do ya want?? I just drove 1200+ miles in about 17 hours and I'm beat. G |
Denny
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"Roy" <Roy (AT) home (DOT) net> wrote in message news:gPydnbVS4bxiuc3bnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134vg1ref80ep5a (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... Roy wrote: "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134t1fojhmdhkd8 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... Roy wrote: "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134qt6doaj3fn98 (AT) corpsupernews (DOT) com... Roy wrote: "Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote in message news:134qh8kaft2av47 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... How heavy would you use? *heavy*, Skippy! I think I already said that. C'mon crotch cannibal, that was a question. How *heavy*? Or is it beyond you to answer? Look if ya don't know(seems ya don't) roll over, give the Idiot a slap on the ass wake him up and ask him. I'm sure by now you've done some research and have some sort of a answer, don't ya troll boy? *WOW* your replies are getting short! There were several points worthy of further discussion, where did everything go??? My first answer to Big Al wasn't "profound" enough for you. Why don't you elaborate on it a bit? You probably, no, *definitely*, should comment on my assertion that connecting a 12V car battery to a 12V motorcycle might not be a good idea. Do you agree, or disagree, or have any thoughts at all? Tell us! How about the parallel battery setup that I called a poor design, Dodge does that don't they? I haven't seen Dodge's dual battery setup personally, but I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned here. And I don't recall ever seeing any negative comments about it. If it's as I think it is, then I just called it LOUSY, and nobody wants to comment? What do you think about it, Skippy? Well, took ya some time to get cleaned up. Still didn't answer the question. LOL! WTF do ya want?? I just drove 1200+ miles in about 17 hours and I'm beat. G You'll do anything to get the "machine" back won't ya........ <VBG Denny |
also remember all the work you did to get it. Look how it kept you occupied
this past week.
That damn car was fantastic on the drive both way's. It let's you move
through traffic and change lanes instantly. Gotta love all the HP and
instant response. A very comfortable car. Only problem with it is the crap
in the cooling. Mike was going to look into it from his end. Oh, I warped a
set of rotor's as well. Had to hit them hard at about 80mph a few times then
I started to get the shimmy at high speed applications. But there is a tsb
out on them. I guess they replace them with the slotted rotor's used on the
07's
Roy
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Neil Nelson wrote: In article <134vghmcbjan57f (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com>, Beryl <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote: Neil Nelson wrote: In article <134qh8kaft2av47 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com>, Beryl <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote: The cranking relay won't isolate the two batteries while parked though. The danger there is being stuck at camp with two dead batteries. Apparently you don't understand the function of the relay in this circuit or how it works. There is no "this circuit". Sure there is. OEMs have been making them available for years. Look, Neil, there was no "this", and now there's no "them". There are many circuits. |
or your minions.
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Big Al described this: "You need to isolate the trailer battery while the truck is cranking." I don't really care how Big Al described it. Then you don't care about what I replied to, because that's what I replied to. |
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"You need to isolate the trailer battery while the truck is cranking. Otherwise the trailer battery will try to help feed the starter. You can use a relay connected to the radio feed, the radio goes off when cranking." - Big Al "When the truck is parked and the ignition is switched off, the batteries are isolated from each other preventing the vehicle battery from being discharged from electrical usage in the trailer. i.e., the relay is not energized, there is no direct positive cable connection between the two batteries." - Neil Is the ignition switched off when cranking? Um, no, better not be. |
Does the word "ignition" describe just a circuit?
Does the word "ignition" describe a switch which has multiple
positions and/or modes of operation?
If the component in question is installed in a Diesel vehicle,
must we now call it a 'compression switch' because Diesel engine
don't have an ignition system?
If a thick headed person is shown to be wrong, does arguing
semantics bolster his position?
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So then, you have the batteries connected while cranking, |
I only described the state that a particular switch was
positioned to.
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and Al has them isolated at the same time. Are you both talking about the same circuit? |
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You claimed that in "this circuit" the only time they are tied together is when the engine is running. But Al has them tied together whenever the radio will play. Is that the same thing? |
other?
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And you're going on to describe something *entirely different* below. Nope, not entirely different. Just appears so to you because (as I said) you don't know what the circuit does or how it functions. You don't really care about what Big Al said, so you'll just ramble on about your circuit instead. Go ahead... |
you...
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When the truck is parked and the ignition is switched off, the batteries are isolated from each other preventing the vehicle battery from being discharged from electrical usage in the trailer. i.e., the relay is not energized, there is no direct positive cable connection between the two batteries. Two batteries in parallel isn't the best setup either. The weaker battery will draw the stronger one down to its level. Won't happen. The only time the two batteries are connected together is when the tow vehicle's engine is running via the now energized isolation relay, if the engine is running, the circuit voltage to both batteries is higher that the static open circuit voltage of the batteries, the batteries are now being charged, there is no "weaker" battery. Differences in internal resistance between the two batteries will cause the battery with lower resistance to draw more current, but that is the only difference. This may not matter much with a popup camping trailer that sees only occasional use, but is a poor design when two or more batteries are always tied together. The batteries -aren't- always tied together. the only time they are tied together is when the engine is running and they are being charged.semantic You should endeavor to learn how a properly connected isolation relay works. (assuming that you can find time in between calling people names) Boo-hoo. So true! What's true to you, Neil? |
(that's a question, not an answer)
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WTF do ya want?? I just drove 1200+ miles in about 17 hours and I'm beat. <G You'll do anything to get the "machine" back won't ya........ <VBG Denny No, if I took it the wailing I'd here from you would be too much to bear. I also remember all the work you did to get it. Look how it kept you occupied this past week. |
hasn't missed a beat so far. Everythings been running good so far, got about
a hundred acres of beans to finnish up next week. Looking forward to a bit
of a break.
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That damn car was fantastic on the drive both way's. It let's you move through traffic and change lanes instantly. Gotta love all the HP and instant response. |
A very comfortable car. Only problem with it is the crap
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in the cooling. Mike was going to look into it from his end. Oh, I warped a set of rotor's as well. Had to hit them hard at about 80mph a few times then I started to get the shimmy at high speed applications. |
drag chute on it.
Denny
But there is a tsb
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out on them. I guess they replace them with the slotted rotor's used on the 07's Roy |
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