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Re: Can someone explain Dodge Service Dept's to me... -
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On May 16, 1:32 pm, "maxpower" <damnnickn... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: "Comboverfish" <comboverf... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1179317991.047035.267390 (AT) o5g2000hsb (DOT) googlegroups.com... On May 16, 2:08 am, bllsht <nos... (AT) dot (DOT) net> wrote: Quick, name a Dodge vehicle with a vacuum operated EGR system that uses a position sensor. I can't, quick or otherwise. No surprise there... I never said I could, so why would there be a surprise at any cost? I know the OP referred to a Chrysler product. I realize there is some wisdom in maxpower's point regarding non-vacuum controlled EGR valves and a P0404. Unfortunately, he (you?) is dimwitted enough to never consider the big picture as evidenced by a great number of his posts. His attack of claresnyder(sp) was pretty weak, but expected. Again, read what I said and find any technical fault with it. You can't? Great. Technical fault? No. Irrelevant, considering the OP was talking about a Chrysler product? Yes! Correct. I wasn't attempting to be relevant. I can't do that 24/7 365. If you want to use irrelevant posts to take weak shots at somebody 'cause you don't like 'em, then knock yourself out. I was just pointing out that Glenn was right, and your post didn't make any sense in the context of this thread. I already conceded that -however- knew it when posting. I've been pissy on NG lately and it shows. Oh well, life goes on. FWIW, I feel Glenn is a real asset to posters regarding Chrysler help. I have deliberately scrolled right down to his replies for years, but take issue with the manner that he (occasionally) jumps on people, in the sense that he gets bent really easily. He doesn't always see all sides to the issue, and rather goes into tunnel vision attack mode. He's never responded to me, even in the beginning when my replies were of the kinder, more collaborative nature. I guess that my posts, both good and malevolent are blocked, ignored, don't show on his reader, whatever... and life goes on. I read all the post's and dont block any of them out. I have just as much right to say what I want to say as the next person. I will NOT get into Bullshit discussions that come out of what is said on here. I dont have time for that. The fact is, the OP made it sound as if the dealer was supposed to check his vehicle out for free. We dont get paid by the hour we get paid by the work we do. Just because the OP was told his EGR valve was bad by another dealer does not mean the dealer is going to replace it. The OP has purchased a low line service contract that does not cover EGR valves therefore if he wanted it checked out he would have had to pay for it. Most people I find on here that cry do not tell the whole side of the story. You would be surprised of how many e mails I get from Posters on here about there issues. They dont tell the complete story that was acually done to the car to try and fix it. A vin number tells alot about the history of a vehicle and the work that has been done to try and correct a problem. I forget who said it.... but the OP's vehicle has an electronic EGR valve. Unless you acually get the scan tool out and run the monitor to check it, which means driving the vehicle under a certain speed and a certian load you can not test this device. Once again, it has no vacuum hose to it. So what I said in my first post was merely making a point that the OP was crying NOT FIXED when he did not want to pay to have it checked out after the Independent shop blew him off to the dealer. I only work on Dodge and Chrysler Products and that is what we were talking baout therefore I had no reason to answer the question about other EGR valves on a different Manufactures vehicle.Once again, i do this as a favor to those who have a ligitmate question or problem. I spend alot of time researching and going thru wire schematics to answer questions. I dont have time for the bullshit that goes on such as this thread. Thanks for replying. Many dealer techs work on a wide variety of vehicles which usually comes from their mass of trade-in resales. I guess your shop is different or you have one specific guy to do that work. Your dealer doesn't sell the Jeep line? Toyota MDT in MO We are Chrysler only, we do have 2 Jeep Techs because we due tons of work |
dealer down the street has it. I have worked on Dodge for 20 years but got
out of that 7 years ago.
We have one technician that works on all used vehicles. He inspects and
does the repairs
Glenn
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"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm (AT) toybox (DOT) placo.com> wrote in message news:newscache$q02zhj$a7k$1 (AT) news (DOT) ipinc.net... "maxpower" <damnnickname (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:avadnbiq37RRP9nbnZ2dnUVZ_sCinZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... WRONG!! As I said there are reflashes out on particular model Minivans tha require a flash of the PCM to install software that will update the engine controller for an intermittent fault for turning the Check engine lite on and setting a code for the EGR . OK Maxpower, I have 2 minivans, a 94 and 95 T&C with the 3.8L BOTH vans do this - set the EGR code in the CEL, intermittently. I've swapped valves, replaced them, taken the old ones apart. No problems, no cracked diaphram, selonoids work. EGR system passes all the diagnostics in the FSM. Both vans pass NoX emissions with flying colors. This problem has been happening for years on both of these vans. This is the FIRST time I've read in this forum any statement from anyone claiming to be a dealership mechanic that this is a known problem with a firmware update for the engine computer to fix it on certain vans. So, are mine part of this known problem? If so, what is the TSB #? Ted I take that back, there is a reflash out that could pertain to your vehicle if the fault code is for EGR system failure. It only pertains to setting a fault where the ambient temp is below 40 degree F and that is the TSB that was posted earlier. |
one
of the vehicles. And no, the pins on the selonoids are fine. It could
possibly be
bad FEMALE contacts in the selonoid plug - but to have both vehicles doing
it?
I don't live in an area with a lot of corrosion (no salt on the roads, etc.)
so general
we don't see corrosion issues on electrical. But, as for ambient temp being
below 40 - that one I don't know. I hadn't noticed. The fact that the
computers
are flashable, though, that's useful. I'll have to get one of them done and
see
if it makes a difference.
Ted
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"maxpower" <damnnickname (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:iOWdnQYuo-kH9drbnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm (AT) toybox (DOT) placo.com> wrote in message news:newscache$q02zhj$a7k$1 (AT) news (DOT) ipinc.net... "maxpower" <damnnickname (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:avadnbiq37RRP9nbnZ2dnUVZ_sCinZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... WRONG!! As I said there are reflashes out on particular model Minivans tha require a flash of the PCM to install software that will update the engine controller for an intermittent fault for turning the Check engine lite on and setting a code for the EGR . OK Maxpower, I have 2 minivans, a 94 and 95 T&C with the 3.8L BOTH vans do this - set the EGR code in the CEL, intermittently. I've swapped valves, replaced them, taken the old ones apart. No problems, no cracked diaphram, selonoids work. EGR system passes all the diagnostics in the FSM. Both vans pass NoX emissions with flying colors. This problem has been happening for years on both of these vans. This is the FIRST time I've read in this forum any statement from anyone claiming to be a dealership mechanic that this is a known problem with a firmware update for the engine computer to fix it on certain vans. So, are mine part of this known problem? If so, what is the TSB #? Ted I take that back, there is a reflash out that could pertain to your vehicle if the fault code is for EGR system failure. It only pertains to setting a fault where the ambient temp is below 40 degree F and that is the TSB that was posted earlier. It is the general EGR system failure code. And yes I did try a new valve in one of the vehicles. And no, the pins on the selonoids are fine. It could possibly be bad FEMALE contacts in the selonoid plug - but to have both vehicles doing it? I don't live in an area with a lot of corrosion (no salt on the roads, etc.) so general we don't see corrosion issues on electrical. But, as for ambient temp being below 40 - that one I don't know. I hadn't noticed. The fact that the computers are flashable, though, that's useful. I'll have to get one of them done and see if it makes a difference. Ted Ted. Does it happen in Temp below 40 degrees? do you notice that is only |
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"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm (AT) toybox (DOT) placo.com> wrote in message news:newscache$4fd8ij$e961$1 (AT) news (DOT) ipinc.net... "maxpower" <damnnickname (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:iOWdnQYuo-kH9drbnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm (AT) toybox (DOT) placo.com> wrote in message news:newscache$q02zhj$a7k$1 (AT) news (DOT) ipinc.net... "maxpower" <damnnickname (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:avadnbiq37RRP9nbnZ2dnUVZ_sCinZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... WRONG!! As I said there are reflashes out on particular model Minivans tha require a flash of the PCM to install software that will update the engine controller for an intermittent fault for turning the Check engine lite on and setting a code for the EGR . OK Maxpower, I have 2 minivans, a 94 and 95 T&C with the 3.8L BOTH vans do this - set the EGR code in the CEL, intermittently. I've swapped valves, replaced them, taken the old ones apart. No problems, no cracked diaphram, selonoids work. EGR system passes all the diagnostics in the FSM. Both vans pass NoX emissions with flying colors. This problem has been happening for years on both of these vans. This is the FIRST time I've read in this forum any statement from anyone claiming to be a dealership mechanic that this is a known problem with a firmware update for the engine computer to fix it on certain vans. So, are mine part of this known problem? If so, what is the TSB #? Ted I take that back, there is a reflash out that could pertain to your vehicle if the fault code is for EGR system failure. It only pertains to setting a fault where the ambient temp is below 40 degree F and that is the TSB that was posted earlier. It is the general EGR system failure code. And yes I did try a new valve in one of the vehicles. And no, the pins on the selonoids are fine. It could possibly be bad FEMALE contacts in the selonoid plug - but to have both vehicles doing it? I don't live in an area with a lot of corrosion (no salt on the roads, etc.) so general we don't see corrosion issues on electrical. But, as for ambient temp being below 40 - that one I don't know. I hadn't noticed. The fact that the computers are flashable, though, that's useful. I'll have to get one of them done and see if it makes a difference. Ted Ted. Does it happen in Temp below 40 degrees? do you notice that is only sets in the winter? |
several times
in succession. The more common trigger appears to be crusing at around
55Mph
for a long period of time - such as a half hour. Interestingly enough, if I
cruise
for the same period of time at 65Mph it usually -won't- do it. But, I've
had it
do it 10 minutes after starting the van, and just doing 30Mph city driving.
I can do the test procedure in the FSM all day long to each van and the
EGR valve always checks out, whether the van is hot or cold.
Both vehicles behave the same way and both give the same error codes, and
both
have very low NoX emissions. We have state-run IM testing here and you can
take a
vehicle through the test center for free any time you want. Both seem to
have done this
with the same regularity in both summer and winter. But, the coldest it
ever gets
here during winter is about down to 28 degrees.
In other factoids, both engines have very different maintainence histories.
The
95 was bathed in oil, serviced by the dealer. The 94 was bathed in dirt,
and
serviced by Clive with an assortment of kitchen implements. (I bought both
vans
used) The 94 seems to have been very happy with getting back on to a
regular
oil change regimen, and better maintainence. The 94 has about 145K on it,
the
95 has about 120K on it.
I have an OTC Monitor 4000E with the engine computer connector and one of
these days if I get ambitious I keep thinking I'll set it up to record
events, and see
if I can catch the thing doing it. One obstacle to doing that, though, is
that now
with the better weather, I'm riding the CB750 every day and haven't done
much
driving in the van.
Ted
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"maxpower" <damnnickname (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:feydnZuaiKOWmdPbnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm (AT) toybox (DOT) placo.com> wrote in message news:newscache$4fd8ij$e961$1 (AT) news (DOT) ipinc.net... "maxpower" <damnnickname (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:iOWdnQYuo-kH9drbnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm (AT) toybox (DOT) placo.com> wrote in message news:newscache$q02zhj$a7k$1 (AT) news (DOT) ipinc.net... "maxpower" <damnnickname (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:avadnbiq37RRP9nbnZ2dnUVZ_sCinZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... WRONG!! As I said there are reflashes out on particular model Minivans tha require a flash of the PCM to install software that will update the engine controller for an intermittent fault for turning the Check engine lite on and setting a code for the EGR . OK Maxpower, I have 2 minivans, a 94 and 95 T&C with the 3.8L BOTH vans do this - set the EGR code in the CEL, intermittently. I've swapped valves, replaced them, taken the old ones apart. No problems, no cracked diaphram, selonoids work. EGR system passes all the diagnostics in the FSM. Both vans pass NoX emissions with flying colors. This problem has been happening for years on both of these vans. This is the FIRST time I've read in this forum any statement from anyone claiming to be a dealership mechanic that this is a known problem with a firmware update for the engine computer to fix it on certain vans. So, are mine part of this known problem? If so, what is the TSB #? Ted I take that back, there is a reflash out that could pertain to your vehicle if the fault code is for EGR system failure. It only pertains to setting a fault where the ambient temp is below 40 degree F and that is the TSB that was posted earlier. It is the general EGR system failure code. And yes I did try a new valve in one of the vehicles. And no, the pins on the selonoids are fine. It could possibly be bad FEMALE contacts in the selonoid plug - but to have both vehicles doing it? I don't live in an area with a lot of corrosion (no salt on the roads, etc.) so general we don't see corrosion issues on electrical. But, as for ambient temp being below 40 - that one I don't know. I hadn't noticed. The fact that the computers are flashable, though, that's useful. I'll have to get one of them done and see if it makes a difference. Ted Ted. Does it happen in Temp below 40 degrees? do you notice that is only sets in the winter? It is very random. It will go for months without doing it then do it several times in succession. The more common trigger appears to be crusing at around 55Mph for a long period of time - such as a half hour. Interestingly enough, if I cruise for the same period of time at 65Mph it usually -won't- do it. But, I've had it do it 10 minutes after starting the van, and just doing 30Mph city driving. I can do the test procedure in the FSM all day long to each van and the EGR valve always checks out, whether the van is hot or cold. Both vehicles behave the same way and both give the same error codes, and both have very low NoX emissions. We have state-run IM testing here and you can take a vehicle through the test center for free any time you want. Both seem to have done this with the same regularity in both summer and winter. But, the coldest it ever gets here during winter is about down to 28 degrees. In other factoids, both engines have very different maintainence histories. The 95 was bathed in oil, serviced by the dealer. The 94 was bathed in dirt, and serviced by Clive with an assortment of kitchen implements. (I bought both vans used) The 94 seems to have been very happy with getting back on to a regular oil change regimen, and better maintainence. The 94 has about 145K on it, the 95 has about 120K on it. I have an OTC Monitor 4000E with the engine computer connector and one of these days if I get ambitious I keep thinking I'll set it up to record events, and see if I can catch the thing doing it. One obstacle to doing that, though, is that now with the better weather, I'm riding the CB750 every day and haven't done much driving in the van. Ted |
the '94, but I could have missed it.
The fact that it's intermittent could have something to do with when
the PCM actually runs the EGR 'monitor'. It's under specific
conditions, so it may run at one speed (load) and not another. It does
run under light load, steady cruise conditions. The PCM compares short
term fuel trim without EGR to STFT with EGR. If there isn't enough of
a shift, the fault is set.
It could also be that they are right at the edge of failure. Sometimes
they'll fail and sometimes they won't. Partially blocked EGR tubes
and intake manifold passages could cause it.
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