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Help - thinking of buying a 328
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Re: Help - thinking of buying a 328 -
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The 328 I was looking it is overpriced. Better deals can be found - with a few more miles. Great comments about the low milage. I didn't think about the fact that a car *needs* to be driven enough to keep rubber/fluids/pumps working properly. I find your comment about the 328 being the best of the 3X8 cars interesting because now I am finding a few 348s newer & cheaper with about 20K miles. Do you have an opion on the 348 ? |
copy (I have to run but I'll look it up later).
I think the strakes are hideous and evocative of "the pig that proves
the rule" that late-model TR.
Iirc, their engines are rather fragile, the suspension tuning brittle
....and the interiors are delicate?
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So, I guess my choices are 328,348, 355 (wait a few more years) |
is still the apotheosis of the Ferrari V-8 in many opinions and for
very good reasons.
Lately there's a gun metal gray 308 on a lot on my way to work each
morning: It's quite inspiring. They are so beautiful.
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Iirc, their engines are rather fragile, |
exhaust headers made out of steel that's too thin that seem to have more
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the suspension tuning brittle |
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So, I guess my choices are 328,348, 355 (wait a few more years) As I understand it there's no choice between a 348 and a 355: The 355 is still the apotheosis of the Ferrari V-8 in many opinions and for very good reasons. |
header failure & valve problems. Was down at QV the other day & Mike was
just loading 4 or 5 sets of 355 headers into his van to take them off for
rebuilding. They rebuild them with heavier guage pipes.
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Lately there's a gun metal gray 308 on a lot on my way to work each morning: It's quite inspiring. They are so beautiful. |
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"matt borland" <mborland (AT) columbus (DOT) rr.com> wrote in message news:4Ztpe.18004$iu.4657 (AT) tornado (DOT) ohiordc.rr.com... Nikola Tesla> wrote in message news:vrqdnbOwEIyx_zvfRVn-ow (AT) comcast (DOT) com... Do you have an opion on the 348 ? It's a good bit more expensive to service than a 308 or 328 due to the engine being mounted north-south instead of east- west. It's also more modern, faster, and the handling is more, umm, well it's allegedly difficult at the limit but it may have more ultimate grip than a 328. Pay less now, pay much more at service time. You might still be in 328 territory but drive a few cars, get quotes on servicing, and see what you think. What he said . 348 handling issues are there but only at speeds you shouldn't be doing on a public road. On the track may people seem to have had good luck with fitting spacers & widening the track a bit. I''ve never driven one so you should talk to people who have (www.ferrarichat.com). There is a dedicated band of very content 348 owners who wouldn't trade their cars. There are a few other gremlins i.e. the climate control panel that dies, costs over £400 and basically can't be replaced anymore because there are no new ones. That said there are people who have managed to fix these. The 348 engine is a peach - just expensive to service. The gearbox is also good but they changed the linkage to cables (from rods in the 328). These cables can bind when the car is worked very hard alledgedly making the gearshift very stiff. The 355 engine is clearly more highly stressed and does suffer from some unfortunate issues - i.e. a propensity to blow exhaust headers & chew up valves & guides. That said there are some cars/engines that just seem to be fine with both of these and have no issues. More worryingly there has been a spate of 355s bursting into flames (a UK chap on F'chat lost his 355 to this a couple of months ago). Something to do with the fuel lines. A few others report close calls & finding various leakes in the fuel system. These can all be rectified/modified & made safe so something to be aware of but not worry about - i.e. if you bought a 355 you'd want to get it checked out very quickly. Look here also for relative servicing costs: http://www.hamletcg.co.uk/qv/offers.htm - Dealer prices would be a good bit higher than these. These are also UK prices - servicing costs in the US seem to be higher still. I. |
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There are a few other gremlins i.e. the climate control panel that dies, costs over £400 |
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Iirc, their engines are rather fragile, I thought 348 engines were pretty OK - its the 355s with the 5 valves & the exhaust headers made out of steel that's too thin that seem to have more problems. |
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the suspension tuning brittle Not heard this one at all |
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...and the interiors are delicate? Nor this |
way too much styrene in it for a Ferrari.
....and I did end the sentence with a question mark.
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So, I guess my choices are 328,348, 355 (wait a few more years) As I understand it there's no choice between a 348 and a 355: The 355 is still the apotheosis of the Ferrari V-8 in many opinions and for very good reasons. Upto a point. As they ar e getting older more & more of them are suffering header failure & valve problems. Was down at QV the other day & Mike was just loading 4 or 5 sets of 355 headers into his van to take them off for rebuilding. They rebuild them with heavier guage pipes. |
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Lately there's a gun metal gray 308 on a lot on my way to work each morning: It's quite inspiring. They are so beautiful. Does ya good. |
Sits a bit nose high as well, I wonder what that's about.
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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 23:53:04 GMT, "Iain Miller" <donot (AT) spam (DOT) me> wrote: Iirc, their engines are rather fragile, I thought 348 engines were pretty OK - its the 355s with the 5 valves & the exhaust headers made out of steel that's too thin that seem to have more problems. Don't the 348 have cat related fire problems? |
more of a concern right now.
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the suspension tuning brittle Not heard this one at all ...Squirrely handling when you need it most. |
to track it then it can be sorted.
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...and the interiors are delicate? Nor this Someone else mentioned cheap controls, I've always thought there was way too much styrene in it for a Ferrari. |
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As I understand it there's no choice between a 348 and a 355: The 355 is still the apotheosis of the Ferrari V-8 in many opinions and for very good reasons. Upto a point. As they ar e getting older more & more of them are suffering header failure & valve problems. Was down at QV the other day & Mike was just loading 4 or 5 sets of 355 headers into his van to take them off for rebuilding. They rebuild them with heavier guage pipes. Hardly in the league with the TRs portliness and pig's-ass ugliness. |
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Lately there's a gun metal gray 308 on a lot on my way to work each morning: It's quite inspiring. They are so beautiful. Does ya good. It just sits there, with it's leather shrinking in the sun... Sits a bit nose high as well, I wonder what that's about. |
Mikal? MIKAL?? has anyone seen Mikal?
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"F2005..." <Ron.Dennis (AT) LyingCheatingSwine (DOT) com> wrote in message news:901ia1htptn580ccgjgq801ajvk0uar8bt (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 23:53:04 GMT, "Iain Miller" <donot (AT) spam (DOT) me> wrote: Iirc, their engines are rather fragile, I thought 348 engines were pretty OK - its the 355s with the 5 valves & the exhaust headers made out of steel that's too thin that seem to have more problems. Don't the 348 have cat related fire problems? Not that I've heard. |
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The current spate of 355 fuel system fires seems to be more of a concern right now. |
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the suspension tuning brittle Not heard this one at all ...Squirrely handling when you need it most. Only at speeds ya shouldn't be doing ona public road - and if you are going to track it then it can be sorted. |
the basis of my lifelong dislike of Porchs.
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...and the interiors are delicate? Nor this Someone else mentioned cheap controls, I've always thought there was way too much styrene in it for a Ferrari. It is what it is - you either like it ....or not I suppose. |
Some said at the time that Ferrari would have been happy to flog the
348 unmodified but the NSX forced the re-design to the 355.
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As I understand it there's no choice between a 348 and a 355: The 355 is still the apotheosis of the Ferrari V-8 in many opinions and for very good reasons. Upto a point. As they ar e getting older more & more of them are suffering header failure & valve problems. Was down at QV the other day & Mike was just loading 4 or 5 sets of 355 headers into his van to take them off for rebuilding. They rebuild them with heavier guage pipes. Hardly in the league with the TRs portliness and pig's-ass ugliness. yeah - but that has 12 cylinders & for some that makes all the difference. |
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Lately there's a gun metal gray 308 on a lot on my way to work each morning: It's quite inspiring. They are so beautiful. Does ya good. It just sits there, with it's leather shrinking in the sun... Sits a bit nose high as well, I wonder what that's about. Dead body in the trunk? |
will have to wait till tomorrow.
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I could easily be wrong, I'm still working from memory (Random Recall mode). The current spate of 355 fuel system fires seems to be more of a concern right now. Please expound... |
and http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32986
9 or 10 cars have gone up in the last year or so it seems.
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...Squirrely handling when you need it most. Only at speeds ya shouldn't be doing ona public road - and if you are going to track it then it can be sorted. A performance car shouldn't turn on you when you need the performance, the basis of my lifelong dislike of Porchs. |
back goes than my 328 is. Still wouldn't have one though....well, maybe a
993....
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...and the interiors are delicate? Nor this Someone else mentioned cheap controls, I've always thought there was way too much styrene in it for a Ferrari. It is what it is - you either like it ....or not I suppose. Hardly in the league with the TRs portliness and pig's-ass ugliness. yeah - but that has 12 cylinders & for some that makes all the difference. I'd rather have a 412. |
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Mikal? MIKAL?? has anyone seen Mikal? |
enough to exterminate as it is!
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