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Re: Ass raped at the pumps Options -
05-20-2007
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Jim GM4DHJ in the shack wrote: weekend pleasure drives, but when cost is by the liter as opposed to the gallon, you learn the alternatives real fast. try 95p/l or about £5 per gallon say $10 per gallon here in the UK ......enjoy your $3 per gallon while you can ! jim IMO, we won't roll over and take it like you in Europe have over the decades. If it weren't for your governments you too could have cheap gasoline. We will find an alternative before we pay what Europe, Japan etc does. Nothing motivates Americans like money and reductions in our standard of living.  |
public gripes loudly, but accepts it in the end. We do the same with
taxes. And I would expect the left wingers to step in and force
employers to pay their employees higher wages, or pay for their gas at
a set rate per mile, or force the government to grant a tax deduction
for mileage just as they do for interest on mortgages.
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:03:42 -0400, Michael Johnson <cds (AT) erols (DOT) com Regardless of what we switch over to, and over what period of time, as long as we here in the states continue to always consume it as individuals like there is no tomorrow -- we are going to have an issue. It is simply a matter of trading one issue for another. Consumption will never decrease without so catastrophic outside influence on the consumer. I don't see this happening. If we are going to use energy then I think using a form that can be generated virtually anywhere using everything from coal, nuclear and oil fired power plants to wind farms, hydraulic, geothermal, solar, tides, ocean currents is the right direct for us to head into. Electricity gives every consumer the option to be a producer. They can feed the grid as well as feed off it. This isn't possible with oil as it is a one-way process. And feet gives use the option of self-locomotion, I still don't get your point. |
elite few people on the planet. There are absolutely no such limitations
on, or control of electricity production. A junior high school kid can
produce electricity, the top 1000 energy minds on the planet can't produce a
drop of oil, the best they can do is optimize the location and collection
methods of the oil that is already there.
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"The Wolf With the Red Roses" <Wolf (AT) Red (DOT) com> wrote in message news:0ubv43tbclf9vu9in3q8d615shqv4ujl67 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:03:42 -0400, Michael Johnson <cds (AT) erols (DOT) com Regardless of what we switch over to, and over what period of time, as long as we here in the states continue to always consume it as individuals like there is no tomorrow -- we are going to have an issue. It is simply a matter of trading one issue for another. Consumption will never decrease without so catastrophic outside influence on the consumer. I don't see this happening. If we are going to use energy then I think using a form that can be generated virtually anywhere using everything from coal, nuclear and oil fired power plants to wind farms, hydraulic, geothermal, solar, tides, ocean currents is the right direct for us to head into. Electricity gives every consumer the option to be a producer. They can feed the grid as well as feed off it. This isn't possible with oil as it is a one-way process. And feet gives use the option of self-locomotion, I still don't get your point. Point is oil is a finite recourse, controlled in a total monopoly by an elite few people on the planet. There are absolutely no such limitations on, or control of electricity production. A junior high school kid can produce electricity, the top 1000 energy minds on the planet can't produce a drop of oil, the best they can do is optimize the location and collection methods of the oil that is already there. |
electricity to make toast from peddling a bicycle on his back porch.
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 10:19:21 -0400, Michael Johnson <cds (AT) erols (DOT) com wrote: Jim GM4DHJ in the shack wrote: weekend pleasure drives, but when cost is by the liter as opposed to the gallon, you learn the alternatives real fast. try 95p/l or about £5 per gallon say $10 per gallon here in the UK ......enjoy your $3 per gallon while you can ! jim IMO, we won't roll over and take it like you in Europe have over the decades. If it weren't for your governments you too could have cheap gasoline. We will find an alternative before we pay what Europe, Japan etc does. Nothing motivates Americans like money and reductions in our standard of living. I tend to disagree. If the price is raised in steps over time, the public gripes loudly, but accepts it in the end. We do the same with taxes. And I would expect the left wingers to step in and force employers to pay their employees higher wages, or pay for their gas at a set rate per mile, or force the government to grant a tax deduction for mileage just as they do for interest on mortgages. |
control after the next national election. When gasoline prices go too
high other options become economically more viable and with the global
demand for oil increasing year after year I doubt we will ever see
$2/gallon gasoline again.
We don't have the same market controls as Europe, Canada, Japan etc. and
the automakers don't want some young startup company(ies) stealing a
market for electric cars right from under their noses. IMO, this is why
you see the increase in the number of hybrid models which is really
their real world R&D program. They are positioning themselves to make a
jump to offering full electric cars in the advent that gas prices stay
high or go even higher. I think the Japanese automakers know that
electric powered cars are inevitable. I don't think they know if they
will be based on rechargeable batteries, fuel cells or some other
technology at this point.
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My Name Is Nobody wrote: "The Wolf With the Red Roses" <Wolf (AT) Red (DOT) com> wrote in message news:0ubv43tbclf9vu9in3q8d615shqv4ujl67 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:03:42 -0400, Michael Johnson <cds (AT) erols (DOT) com Regardless of what we switch over to, and over what period of time, as long as we here in the states continue to always consume it as individuals like there is no tomorrow -- we are going to have an issue. It is simply a matter of trading one issue for another. Consumption will never decrease without so catastrophic outside influence on the consumer. I don't see this happening. If we are going to use energy then I think using a form that can be generated virtually anywhere using everything from coal, nuclear and oil fired power plants to wind farms, hydraulic, geothermal, solar, tides, ocean currents is the right direct for us to head into. Electricity gives every consumer the option to be a producer. They can feed the grid as well as feed off it. This isn't possible with oil as it is a one-way process. And feet gives use the option of self-locomotion, I still don't get your point. Point is oil is a finite recourse, controlled in a total monopoly by an elite few people on the planet. There are absolutely no such limitations on, or control of electricity production. A junior high school kid can produce electricity, the top 1000 energy minds on the planet can't produce a drop of oil, the best they can do is optimize the location and collection methods of the oil that is already there. At least someone got my point. Hell, Ed Bagley, Jr. can generate enough electricity to make toast from peddling a bicycle on his back porch. |
Now there's an idea, hook all the exercise equipment up to the grid,
eliminate obesity and provide abundant cheap clean electrical power all at
the same time :-)))
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"Michael Johnson" <cds (AT) erols (DOT) com> wrote in message news:z-Odnd0HI4aMa83bnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... My Name Is Nobody wrote: "The Wolf With the Red Roses" <Wolf (AT) Red (DOT) com> wrote in message news:0ubv43tbclf9vu9in3q8d615shqv4ujl67 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:03:42 -0400, Michael Johnson <cds (AT) erols (DOT) com Regardless of what we switch over to, and over what period of time, as long as we here in the states continue to always consume it as individuals like there is no tomorrow -- we are going to have an issue. It is simply a matter of trading one issue for another. Consumption will never decrease without so catastrophic outside influence on the consumer. I don't see this happening. If we are going to use energy then I think using a form that can be generated virtually anywhere using everything from coal, nuclear and oil fired power plants to wind farms, hydraulic, geothermal, solar, tides, ocean currents is the right direct for us to head into. Electricity gives every consumer the option to be a producer. They can feed the grid as well as feed off it. This isn't possible with oil as it is a one-way process. And feet gives use the option of self-locomotion, I still don't get your point. Point is oil is a finite recourse, controlled in a total monopoly by an elite few people on the planet. There are absolutely no such limitations on, or control of electricity production. A junior high school kid can produce electricity, the top 1000 energy minds on the planet can't produce a drop of oil, the best they can do is optimize the location and collection methods of the oil that is already there. At least someone got my point. Hell, Ed Bagley, Jr. can generate enough electricity to make toast from peddling a bicycle on his back porch. Now there's an idea, hook all the exercise equipment up to the grid, eliminate obesity and provide abundant cheap clean electrical power all at the same time :-))) AND improve the view! LOL :0) |
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"Michael Johnson" <cds (AT) erols (DOT) com> wrote in message news:z-Odnd0HI4aMa83bnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... My Name Is Nobody wrote: "The Wolf With the Red Roses" <Wolf (AT) Red (DOT) com> wrote in message news:0ubv43tbclf9vu9in3q8d615shqv4ujl67 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:03:42 -0400, Michael Johnson <cds (AT) erols (DOT) com Regardless of what we switch over to, and over what period of time, as long as we here in the states continue to always consume it as individuals like there is no tomorrow -- we are going to have an issue. It is simply a matter of trading one issue for another. Consumption will never decrease without so catastrophic outside influence on the consumer. I don't see this happening. If we are going to use energy then I think using a form that can be generated virtually anywhere using everything from coal, nuclear and oil fired power plants to wind farms, hydraulic, geothermal, solar, tides, ocean currents is the right direct for us to head into. Electricity gives every consumer the option to be a producer. They can feed the grid as well as feed off it. This isn't possible with oil as it is a one-way process. And feet gives use the option of self-locomotion, I still don't get your point. Point is oil is a finite recourse, controlled in a total monopoly by an elite few people on the planet. There are absolutely no such limitations on, or control of electricity production. A junior high school kid can produce electricity, the top 1000 energy minds on the planet can't produce a drop of oil, the best they can do is optimize the location and collection methods of the oil that is already there. At least someone got my point. Hell, Ed Bagley, Jr. can generate enough electricity to make toast from peddling a bicycle on his back porch. Now there's an idea, hook all the exercise equipment up to the grid, eliminate obesity and provide abundant cheap clean electrical power all at the same time :-))) |
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My Name Is Nobody wrote: "Michael Johnson" <cds (AT) erols (DOT) com> wrote in message news:z-Odnd0HI4aMa83bnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... My Name Is Nobody wrote: "The Wolf With the Red Roses" <Wolf (AT) Red (DOT) com> wrote in message news:0ubv43tbclf9vu9in3q8d615shqv4ujl67 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Sat, 19 May 2007 21:03:42 -0400, Michael Johnson <cds (AT) erols (DOT) com Regardless of what we switch over to, and over what period of time, as long as we here in the states continue to always consume it as individuals like there is no tomorrow -- we are going to have an issue. It is simply a matter of trading one issue for another. Consumption will never decrease without so catastrophic outside influence on the consumer. I don't see this happening. If we are going to use energy then I think using a form that can be generated virtually anywhere using everything from coal, nuclear and oil fired power plants to wind farms, hydraulic, geothermal, solar, tides, ocean currents is the right direct for us to head into. Electricity gives every consumer the option to be a producer. They can feed the grid as well as feed off it. This isn't possible with oil as it is a one-way process. And feet gives use the option of self-locomotion, I still don't get your point. Point is oil is a finite recourse, controlled in a total monopoly by an elite few people on the planet. There are absolutely no such limitations on, or control of electricity production. A junior high school kid can produce electricity, the top 1000 energy minds on the planet can't produce a drop of oil, the best they can do is optimize the location and collection methods of the oil that is already there. At least someone got my point. Hell, Ed Bagley, Jr. can generate enough electricity to make toast from peddling a bicycle on his back porch. Now there's an idea, hook all the exercise equipment up to the grid, eliminate obesity and provide abundant cheap clean electrical power all at the same time :-))) How about liposuction for the masses? Imagine the biodiesel potential. If you can run a vehicle off the used grease from McDucks, and taking |
government might want to cover liposuction and help with both
problems.... be PROACTIVE :0)
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The Wolf With the Red Roses wrote: snippage I've vacationed, lived & worked in numerous countries without ever needing to own an automobile. That isn't to say I didn't, still those weekend pleasure drives, but when cost is by the liter as opposed to the gallon, you learn the alternatives real fast. I like our model better because it gives the individual model freedom. IMO, there is a huge difference between needing and wanting an automobile. Sure, many people can live without a car but how does that impact the quality of their life? |
place to another. I live near New York City and would largely get rid
of my car if it weren't necessary for the occasional work purpose. I
commute by rail (commuter rail and subway) for most of my getting-around
needs and live close enough to the station to walk to it. I can walk to
a grocery store, pharmacy, several restaurants, and, of course, the
train to the city. My Cobra is nearly useless here and I'd be afraid of
getting hit by something, so when I moved here, I left it at home and
just took my beater.
I'm also considering moving to Japan for a few months for work. I'd
miss my car, but even if I were staying there for years, I doubt I'd
have a car. It's mostly unnecessary - amazing what a good public
transportation system will do. Those systems are relied upon so much
that private organizations operate their own public transportation
systems - and make money doing it. Imagine that working here.
As for quality of life, I think for the average person, it might
actually increase the quality of life. For more rural areas, a personal
mode of transportation is necessary, but in highly populated areas,
public transportation is good for the environment and your health. It
gets people outdoors, walking, and gives them the ability to socially
interact in person - something lacking these days, I think.
In the spirit of the thread, I'm a gearhead as well but look forward to
developments in electric cars (fuel cell especially, but battery is ok
for now). The Tesla roadster is a step. Others will be made, I'm sure.
If I had the time and resources, I'd be building a 4-motor (one per
wheel) sports car just to see what kind of performance is possible with
that configuration. I'll always like the feel of a V8 RWD 5-speed, but
that's not to say I won't like something else in the future.
JS
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Michael Johnson wrote: The Wolf With the Red Roses wrote: snippage I've vacationed, lived & worked in numerous countries without ever needing to own an automobile. That isn't to say I didn't, still those weekend pleasure drives, but when cost is by the liter as opposed to the gallon, you learn the alternatives real fast. I like our model better because it gives the individual model freedom. IMO, there is a huge difference between needing and wanting an automobile. Sure, many people can live without a car but how does that impact the quality of their life? In a lot of places in the world, you don't need a car to get from one place to another. I live near New York City and would largely get rid of my car if it weren't necessary for the occasional work purpose. I commute by rail (commuter rail and subway) for most of my getting-around needs and live close enough to the station to walk to it. I can walk to a grocery store, pharmacy, several restaurants, and, of course, the train to the city. My Cobra is nearly useless here and I'd be afraid of getting hit by something, so when I moved here, I left it at home and just took my beater. I'm also considering moving to Japan for a few months for work. I'd miss my car, but even if I were staying there for years, I doubt I'd have a car. It's mostly unnecessary - amazing what a good public transportation system will do. Those systems are relied upon so much that private organizations operate their own public transportation systems - and make money doing it. Imagine that working here. |
doesn't make much sense. For where I live a car is an absolute necessity.
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As for quality of life, I think for the average person, it might actually increase the quality of life. For more rural areas, a personal mode of transportation is necessary, but in highly populated areas, public transportation is good for the environment and your health. It gets people outdoors, walking, and gives them the ability to socially interact in person - something lacking these days, I think. In the spirit of the thread, I'm a gearhead as well but look forward to developments in electric cars (fuel cell especially, but battery is ok for now). The Tesla roadster is a step. Others will be made, I'm sure. If I had the time and resources, I'd be building a 4-motor (one per wheel) sports car just to see what kind of performance is possible with that configuration. I'll always like the feel of a V8 RWD 5-speed, but that's not to say I won't like something else in the future. |
make the switch. When some old fart, gear head like me is ready, I
think it just might mean a sizable portion of our population might be
ready too.
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