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Default Checked your brakes lately? - 01-14-2007 , 07:05 PM






Just a little story I feel the need to share:

Several days ago my wife told me her brakes on her Mountaineer were making
some noise. I drove it to the store the next evening and sure enough, there
came a godawful grinding noise whenever the brakes were applied; it also
sounded like there was a little noise just rolling along at a crawl, too.
Not good. I got home, eyeballed the rotors thru the slots in the wheels,
didn't see anything. (Then again, it was about dark, so there.) I waited a
bit to let the rotors cool down (learned a year or so ago to do that the
hard way) and ran my finger across one of the rears and felt a definite
groove. uh-oh. So I tell her be careful, I'll fix it this weekend.

I went yesterday and picked up new pads and rotors for the rear (fronts were
done several months ago). This morning, jacked up the back end, pulled off
the wheels, loosened caliper bolts, and started to pull off the
calipers...and then noticed the problem. The caliper wouldn't come off.
While the outside of one rear rotor was slightly grooved, the inside pads on
both sides were completely, totally, gone...nothing but shiny metal gouging
into the rotor.

I felt a little sick then and actually more so now. I've been working a ton
the last year or so, and didn't realize the mileage she's racked up, and it
just never crossed my mind...but looking at what was supposed to be the
brakes on the vehicle my kids ride in everyday was nauseating. How long had
it been like that??? Not only that, but I let her drive it on friday. makes
me want to crawl under a rock.

Anyway, posting this here is sort of like preaching to the choir, but if
there's any vehicle at your house that the brakes haven't just been done on,
when was it done? It might be a little bit longer ago than you think.


wabbitslayer
01 GT vert



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Kruse
 
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Default Re: Checked your brakes lately? - 01-14-2007 , 09:48 PM







wabbitslayer wrote:
Quote:
Just a little story I feel the need to share:

Several days ago my wife told me her brakes on her Mountaineer were making
some noise.
Lately Ford has had a reputation for putting on soft rotors that help
the vehicles have quiet braking. So when you have to replace the pads
for the FIRST time, you quite often replace the rotors also.
By all means, go with aftermarket parts on these items.

BTW, if you really want to see a POS throwaway setup, look at the rear
drum brakes on a Focus.



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Gumby619
 
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Default Re: Checked your brakes lately? - 01-14-2007 , 10:42 PM




"wabbitslayer" <wabbitslayer (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Just a little story I feel the need to share:

Several days ago my wife told me her brakes on her Mountaineer were making
some noise. I drove it to the store the next evening and sure enough,
there came a godawful grinding noise whenever the brakes were applied; it
also sounded like there was a little noise just rolling along at a crawl,
too. Not good. I got home, eyeballed the rotors thru the slots in the
wheels, didn't see anything. (Then again, it was about dark, so there.) I
waited a bit to let the rotors cool down (learned a year or so ago to do
that the hard way) and ran my finger across one of the rears and felt a
definite groove. uh-oh. So I tell her be careful, I'll fix it this
weekend.

I went yesterday and picked up new pads and rotors for the rear (fronts
were done several months ago). This morning, jacked up the back end,
pulled off the wheels, loosened caliper bolts, and started to pull off the
calipers...and then noticed the problem. The caliper wouldn't come off.
While the outside of one rear rotor was slightly grooved, the inside pads
on both sides were completely, totally, gone...nothing but shiny metal
gouging into the rotor.

I felt a little sick then and actually more so now. I've been working a
ton the last year or so, and didn't realize the mileage she's racked up,
and it just never crossed my mind...but looking at what was supposed to be
the brakes on the vehicle my kids ride in everyday was nauseating. How
long had it been like that??? Not only that, but I let her drive it on
friday. makes me want to crawl under a rock.

Anyway, posting this here is sort of like preaching to the choir, but if
there's any vehicle at your house that the brakes haven't just been done
on, when was it done? It might be a little bit longer ago than you think.


wabbitslayer
01 GT vert

We bought our 97 vert on nov 14th, took it on a trip to Vegas (about 700
miles round trip) then about a week later I felt/heard something not right.
Took it to my buddies place and pout it on the lift. metal to metal on the
pass rear, other side was still in good shape. The front brakes were
recently redone but the drivers side was barely at spec and the pass was
totally illegal. Stupid me for thinking buying a car off a lot it would at
least be safe.....

Gumby

97 gt vert




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Les Benn
 
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Default Re: Checked your brakes lately? - 01-15-2007 , 12:31 PM



It used to be that buying from a dealer meant you would get a quality car.
Not true any more, they just buy them, wash them, sell them. I had issues
with a dealer that told me they had a 110 point inspection on a Corvette I
bought years ago and then had to get the rear end rebuilt within 100 miles
of purchasing it. Recent years it is all about profit and nothing to do with
getting repeat business.

"Gumby619" <numya (AT) bidness (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
"wabbitslayer" <wabbitslayer (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:Gzzqh.1463$To.999 (AT) bigfe9 (DOT) ..
Just a little story I feel the need to share:

Several days ago my wife told me her brakes on her Mountaineer were
making some noise. I drove it to the store the next evening and sure
enough, there came a godawful grinding noise whenever the brakes were
applied; it also sounded like there was a little noise just rolling along
at a crawl, too. Not good. I got home, eyeballed the rotors thru the
slots in the wheels, didn't see anything. (Then again, it was about dark,
so there.) I waited a bit to let the rotors cool down (learned a year or
so ago to do that the hard way) and ran my finger across one of the rears
and felt a definite groove. uh-oh. So I tell her be careful, I'll fix it
this weekend.

I went yesterday and picked up new pads and rotors for the rear (fronts
were done several months ago). This morning, jacked up the back end,
pulled off the wheels, loosened caliper bolts, and started to pull off
the calipers...and then noticed the problem. The caliper wouldn't come
off. While the outside of one rear rotor was slightly grooved, the inside
pads on both sides were completely, totally, gone...nothing but shiny
metal gouging into the rotor.

I felt a little sick then and actually more so now. I've been working a
ton the last year or so, and didn't realize the mileage she's racked up,
and it just never crossed my mind...but looking at what was supposed to
be the brakes on the vehicle my kids ride in everyday was nauseating. How
long had it been like that??? Not only that, but I let her drive it on
friday. makes me want to crawl under a rock.

Anyway, posting this here is sort of like preaching to the choir, but if
there's any vehicle at your house that the brakes haven't just been done
on, when was it done? It might be a little bit longer ago than you think.


wabbitslayer
01 GT vert

We bought our 97 vert on nov 14th, took it on a trip to Vegas (about 700
miles round trip) then about a week later I felt/heard something not
right. Took it to my buddies place and pout it on the lift. metal to metal
on the pass rear, other side was still in good shape. The front brakes
were recently redone but the drivers side was barely at spec and the pass
was totally illegal. Stupid me for thinking buying a car off a lot it
would at least be safe.....

Gumby

97 gt vert




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Joe
 
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Default Re: Checked your brakes lately? - 01-15-2007 , 03:39 PM



That's not entirely true either. Some dealers are crooks, others are
honest. Caveat emptor.

In your dealer's case, did one of those 110 points indicate that they
inspected the inside of the rear end? If not, then that's just the way
it goes. How many miles were on the car when you bought it?


"Les Benn" <lesbenn (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in
news:XSOqh.91194$lD5.5431 (AT) newsfe14 (DOT) phx:

Quote:
It used to be that buying from a dealer meant you would get a quality
car. Not true any more, they just buy them, wash them, sell them. I
had issues with a dealer that told me they had a 110 point inspection
on a Corvette I bought years ago and then had to get the rear end
rebuilt within 100 miles of purchasing it. Recent years it is all
about profit and nothing to do with getting repeat business.

"Gumby619" <numya (AT) bidness (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:MKCqh.91157$lD5.26386 (AT) newsfe14 (DOT) phx...

"wabbitslayer" <wabbitslayer (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:Gzzqh.1463$To.999 (AT) bigfe9 (DOT) ..
Just a little story I feel the need to share:

Several days ago my wife told me her brakes on her Mountaineer were
making some noise. I drove it to the store the next evening and sure
enough, there came a godawful grinding noise whenever the brakes
were applied; it also sounded like there was a little noise just
rolling along at a crawl, too. Not good. I got home, eyeballed the
rotors thru the slots in the wheels, didn't see anything. (Then
again, it was about dark, so there.) I waited a bit to let the
rotors cool down (learned a year or so ago to do that the hard way)
and ran my finger across one of the rears and felt a definite
groove. uh-oh. So I tell her be careful, I'll fix it this weekend.

I went yesterday and picked up new pads and rotors for the rear
(fronts were done several months ago). This morning, jacked up the
back end, pulled off the wheels, loosened caliper bolts, and started
to pull off the calipers...and then noticed the problem. The caliper
wouldn't come off. While the outside of one rear rotor was slightly
grooved, the inside pads on both sides were completely, totally,
gone...nothing but shiny metal gouging into the rotor.

I felt a little sick then and actually more so now. I've been
working a ton the last year or so, and didn't realize the mileage
she's racked up, and it just never crossed my mind...but looking at
what was supposed to be the brakes on the vehicle my kids ride in
everyday was nauseating. How long had it been like that??? Not only
that, but I let her drive it on friday. makes me want to crawl under
a rock.

Anyway, posting this here is sort of like preaching to the choir,
but if there's any vehicle at your house that the brakes haven't
just been done on, when was it done? It might be a little bit longer
ago than you think.


wabbitslayer
01 GT vert

We bought our 97 vert on nov 14th, took it on a trip to Vegas (about
700 miles round trip) then about a week later I felt/heard something
not right. Took it to my buddies place and pout it on the lift. metal
to metal on the pass rear, other side was still in good shape. The
front brakes were recently redone but the drivers side was barely at
spec and the pass was totally illegal. Stupid me for thinking buying
a car off a lot it would at least be safe.....

Gumby

97 gt vert






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Jim Warman
 
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Default Re: Checked your brakes lately? - 01-15-2007 , 09:30 PM



The brush you are painting with is pretty damned broad....

Recently, we had a couple of stinkers make it through our used inspection
routine with concerns present.... One involved a used SuperDuty and $1400
worth of damaged rims. We are now "upside down" on that unit but our DP
stepped up to the plate and made things right.

Another is a 5R55E in an Explorer that the inspecting tech didn't mention
some engagement concerns it was having..... I'm in the process of
disassembling that one right now... We will wind up "upside down" on this
one too... but we have to make things right for our customer... even to the
point of a loaner whilst I mend his new to him Explorer.....

Then, along comes someone that says "dealers".... not any specific dealer
(as if fine points like this don't matter)... just "dealers" are thieves or
some such.... At the same time, quality doesn't come cheap - premium cars
are worth premium bucks.



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Les Benn
 
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Default Re: Checked your brakes lately? - 01-16-2007 , 01:02 AM



had 37k miles on it
"Joe" <nobody (AT) home (DOT) now> wrote

Quote:
That's not entirely true either. Some dealers are crooks, others are
honest. Caveat emptor.

In your dealer's case, did one of those 110 points indicate that they
inspected the inside of the rear end? If not, then that's just the way
it goes. How many miles were on the car when you bought it?


"Les Benn" <lesbenn (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in
news:XSOqh.91194$lD5.5431 (AT) newsfe14 (DOT) phx:

It used to be that buying from a dealer meant you would get a quality
car. Not true any more, they just buy them, wash them, sell them. I
had issues with a dealer that told me they had a 110 point inspection
on a Corvette I bought years ago and then had to get the rear end
rebuilt within 100 miles of purchasing it. Recent years it is all
about profit and nothing to do with getting repeat business.

"Gumby619" <numya (AT) bidness (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:MKCqh.91157$lD5.26386 (AT) newsfe14 (DOT) phx...

"wabbitslayer" <wabbitslayer (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:Gzzqh.1463$To.999 (AT) bigfe9 (DOT) ..
Just a little story I feel the need to share:

Several days ago my wife told me her brakes on her Mountaineer were
making some noise. I drove it to the store the next evening and sure
enough, there came a godawful grinding noise whenever the brakes
were applied; it also sounded like there was a little noise just
rolling along at a crawl, too. Not good. I got home, eyeballed the
rotors thru the slots in the wheels, didn't see anything. (Then
again, it was about dark, so there.) I waited a bit to let the
rotors cool down (learned a year or so ago to do that the hard way)
and ran my finger across one of the rears and felt a definite
groove. uh-oh. So I tell her be careful, I'll fix it this weekend.

I went yesterday and picked up new pads and rotors for the rear
(fronts were done several months ago). This morning, jacked up the
back end, pulled off the wheels, loosened caliper bolts, and started
to pull off the calipers...and then noticed the problem. The caliper
wouldn't come off. While the outside of one rear rotor was slightly
grooved, the inside pads on both sides were completely, totally,
gone...nothing but shiny metal gouging into the rotor.

I felt a little sick then and actually more so now. I've been
working a ton the last year or so, and didn't realize the mileage
she's racked up, and it just never crossed my mind...but looking at
what was supposed to be the brakes on the vehicle my kids ride in
everyday was nauseating. How long had it been like that??? Not only
that, but I let her drive it on friday. makes me want to crawl under
a rock.

Anyway, posting this here is sort of like preaching to the choir,
but if there's any vehicle at your house that the brakes haven't
just been done on, when was it done? It might be a little bit longer
ago than you think.


wabbitslayer
01 GT vert

We bought our 97 vert on nov 14th, took it on a trip to Vegas (about
700 miles round trip) then about a week later I felt/heard something
not right. Took it to my buddies place and pout it on the lift. metal
to metal on the pass rear, other side was still in good shape. The
front brakes were recently redone but the drivers side was barely at
spec and the pass was totally illegal. Stupid me for thinking buying
a car off a lot it would at least be safe.....

Gumby

97 gt vert








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Joe
 
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Default Re: Checked your brakes lately? - 01-16-2007 , 09:20 PM



Sounds like the previous owner beat on it, or it was just a bad rear.

"Les Benn" <lesbenn (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in news:PSZqh.73624$9S6.45460
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Quote:
had 37k miles on it
"Joe" <nobody (AT) home (DOT) now> wrote in message
news:Xns98B99F5D961A9nospamforme (AT) 216 (DOT) 77.188.18...
That's not entirely true either. Some dealers are crooks, others are
honest. Caveat emptor.

In your dealer's case, did one of those 110 points indicate that they
inspected the inside of the rear end? If not, then that's just the
way
it goes. How many miles were on the car when you bought it?


"Les Benn" <lesbenn (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in
news:XSOqh.91194$lD5.5431 (AT) newsfe14 (DOT) phx:

It used to be that buying from a dealer meant you would get a
quality
car. Not true any more, they just buy them, wash them, sell them. I
had issues with a dealer that told me they had a 110 point
inspection
on a Corvette I bought years ago and then had to get the rear end
rebuilt within 100 miles of purchasing it. Recent years it is all
about profit and nothing to do with getting repeat business.

"Gumby619" <numya (AT) bidness (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:MKCqh.91157$lD5.26386 (AT) newsfe14 (DOT) phx...

"wabbitslayer" <wabbitslayer (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:Gzzqh.1463$To.999 (AT) bigfe9 (DOT) ..
Just a little story I feel the need to share:

Several days ago my wife told me her brakes on her Mountaineer
were
making some noise. I drove it to the store the next evening and
sure
enough, there came a godawful grinding noise whenever the brakes
were applied; it also sounded like there was a little noise just
rolling along at a crawl, too. Not good. I got home, eyeballed the
rotors thru the slots in the wheels, didn't see anything. (Then
again, it was about dark, so there.) I waited a bit to let the
rotors cool down (learned a year or so ago to do that the hard
way)
and ran my finger across one of the rears and felt a definite
groove. uh-oh. So I tell her be careful, I'll fix it this weekend.

I went yesterday and picked up new pads and rotors for the rear
(fronts were done several months ago). This morning, jacked up
the
back end, pulled off the wheels, loosened caliper bolts, and
started
to pull off the calipers...and then noticed the problem. The
caliper
wouldn't come off. While the outside of one rear rotor was
slightly
grooved, the inside pads on both sides were completely, totally,
gone...nothing but shiny metal gouging into the rotor.

I felt a little sick then and actually more so now. I've been
working a ton the last year or so, and didn't realize the mileage
she's racked up, and it just never crossed my mind...but looking
at
what was supposed to be the brakes on the vehicle my kids ride in
everyday was nauseating. How long had it been like that??? Not
only
that, but I let her drive it on friday. makes me want to crawl
under
a rock.

Anyway, posting this here is sort of like preaching to the choir,
but if there's any vehicle at your house that the brakes haven't
just been done on, when was it done? It might be a little bit
longer
ago than you think.


wabbitslayer
01 GT vert

We bought our 97 vert on nov 14th, took it on a trip to Vegas
(about
700 miles round trip) then about a week later I felt/heard
something
not right. Took it to my buddies place and pout it on the lift.
metal
to metal on the pass rear, other side was still in good shape. The
front brakes were recently redone but the drivers side was barely
at
spec and the pass was totally illegal. Stupid me for thinking
buying
a car off a lot it would at least be safe.....

Gumby

97 gt vert










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