2002 expidition steering column transmission selector issue

#11

Actually, I did not say without the need to depress the brake pedal, I
said
quote
"The transmission selector drops from park into reverse without having
to pull it torward you."
endquote

I never stated I had a problem with the brake pedal.
Now that that's cleared up...

As for all the other crap your spewing, the only reason I asked here
was because I do not YET have a service manual for this vehicle.

Do not assume I am an ambulance driver, I am not. I am certified to
repair all of the vehicles in my fleet. This repair is within my
scope. Since your good at changing/editing my post to suit you (never
said without the need to depress the brake pedal) I'd better remind
you, I do not YET have a service manual for this vehicle.

The vehicle is due for Emissions and PA State Inspection next month,
I bring any vehicles due next month to do a saftey check, so I dont
have any surprises when its sticker day... and yes I am the licenced
PA inspection and emissions mechanic.

It's a shame you did all of that typing about law and such, I could
have avoided all of that if I just added ... I do not YET have a
service manual for this vehicle.

Art Franklin

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:31:23 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

You need to get your problems straight.

In the first post, you said the shifter drops from Park to Reverse without
the need to depress the brake pedal. Now youa re saying the shifter can go
from Drive to Reverse at speed.

These are two different problems. There's a chance of a relationship between
them because they both involve the shifter, but one is a serious problem
that ought ot be fixed the other is a problem that arises from years of
abuse, and a small amount of care can prevent the trouble from occuring.

There are serious safety issues with a vehicle that can go from P to R
without activating any kind of lock-out. This is a project worth going
after.

While it could be very inconvenient to shift from D to R while driving down
the street, or freeway, there is scant mechanisms to prevent this entirely.
All one need to make the shift mormally is pull up on the shift lever while
moving it. A test of the linkage is to hold the shift lever down while
moving it to see if it stops moving when you go from D to N.

You say the solenoid is working, I assume you are saying that you can hear
it firing.

Have you ever seen the inside of a luxury car? Typically these cars have a
series of gates that the shifter must pass through to change from one gear
to another. The driver manuvers the shift lever sideways to get from one
position to the next. Typically, the movement from D to N is a straight
line, no sideways movement is needed, and from R to D is a movement that is
assisted by a spring, so the driver gets the feel of a straight pull. The
pull out of, and push into, P is the most complex of the gates. This is an
attempt to protect Park from an inadvertant selection that can put the
vehicle into motion, or rip the transmission right out of the car without
notice -- depending on what other stuff is going on when the lever is moved.

Your truck has the same gates, but they are hidden from view. You negotiate
the gates by pulling the shifter lever towards the steering wheel. Most of
us are careful -- you sound like you go to great pains to be careful -- when
we operate a vehicle. We pull the lever while depressing the brake pedal. We
make sure the vehicle is at a full stop before we attempt to change
direction -- forward or reverse, not left or right -- and we select the
lever position that gives us the gear we want.

You have the misfortune to work behind a bunch of creatons that don't care
about the physical well being of a motor vehicle. Those people appear to me
to have rammed and crammed the shift lever with ruthless abandon, and now
you want to fix the results. I'm not clear on why you want to do this, or
why the city does not simply take the truck to the local service department
for repair because it seems to me that there is a strong argument that the
vehicle presents a huge liability for the city. Indeed, I can't help but
wonder what liabilities YOU might be presenting by servicing something that
you may not be qualified to fix. (Sure, you and I both know that you could
do this job on your own truck. But, if it happened to come to a lawsuit
against the city, I'm not sure the city could defend itself from your
repairs that went awry.)

Now, if your job is to maintain the city fleet, then by all means, jump in.
But, if you are a driver that wants his rig to be right, my advice is to
make sure you are not creating a liability nightmare for your department.

I forgot, sorry, I think you said ambulance. Ambulance fleets are frequently
private companies, not city operations. I still think there are liability
issues here for whomever is responsible -- the city or the fleet owner. I
admire your desire to make this right, but if you share the truck with other
crews and one of them walks away from the truck, and it rolls away from
them, they are sure to say, "shit, I thought Joe fixed that problem." In
which case, the other guy's lawyer is sure to ask, "Joe?" Surely you can
connect the dots from there.

Good luck.

In the
"djdave" <noname (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:92mfr2l0f1trff5ogq44rojip7k86eevg8 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
The solenoid is actually working.
Its the fact that the rest of the gears are accessible im worried
about a drive to reverse at speed.
I'm going to switch the shift tube and linkage from the newer
replacement to my OEM.
thanx

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:50:28 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

There is a solenoid that is fired by a switch on the brake pedal. The
linkage on the solenoid releases a lock on the shifter. By the description
you give on what this vehicle is used for, my guess is that the switch has
been shorted so the safety lock out linkage is ineffective, or the lock
out
pawl has been sheered off through rampant abuse.

In either case, I am pretty sure it can be repaired without replacing the
entire steering column.

"djdave" <noname (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:07i1r25dpaudfd9i351ds79s9kfg4opeo7 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
I dont have a manual for this vehicle yet.
The transmission selector drops from park into reverse without having
to pull it torward you. Is this fixable on the column or do I need to
order a replacement used column?

#12

I'm glad you are the fleet mechanic. The fleet mechanic is the person that
should be doing this. It wasn't clear what your role was, so I was covering
a base. Please do not be offended.

Back to the gate analogy, the pull-action of the shift lever mimics the
moving of the lever to the side so it aligns with the next gate. Your shift
gates are messed up. I recently had a problem with my '95 Bronco, and while
the steering column was dropped to get to the trouble spot, I could see the
gates. I'm not clear on this, but I don't think the gates can be serviced
without dropping the column. Your first description did not read like a gate
problem to me.

I was pretty sure you do not need to replace the steering column to fix
this, but now I think you are on the right track.

Don't worry about my typing, I'm pretty good at it.

"djdave" <noname (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Actually, I did not say without the need to depress the brake pedal, I
said
quote
"The transmission selector drops from park into reverse without having
to pull it torward you."
endquote

I never stated I had a problem with the brake pedal.
Now that that's cleared up...

As for all the other crap your spewing, the only reason I asked here
was because I do not YET have a service manual for this vehicle.

Do not assume I am an ambulance driver, I am not. I am certified to
repair all of the vehicles in my fleet. This repair is within my
scope. Since your good at changing/editing my post to suit you (never
said without the need to depress the brake pedal) I'd better remind
you, I do not YET have a service manual for this vehicle.

The vehicle is due for Emissions and PA State Inspection next month,
I bring any vehicles due next month to do a saftey check, so I dont
have any surprises when its sticker day... and yes I am the licenced
PA inspection and emissions mechanic.

It's a shame you did all of that typing about law and such, I could
have avoided all of that if I just added ... I do not YET have a
service manual for this vehicle.

Art Franklin

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:31:23 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

You need to get your problems straight.

In the first post, you said the shifter drops from Park to Reverse without
the need to depress the brake pedal. Now youa re saying the shifter can go
from Drive to Reverse at speed.

These are two different problems. There's a chance of a relationship
between
them because they both involve the shifter, but one is a serious problem
that ought ot be fixed the other is a problem that arises from years of
abuse, and a small amount of care can prevent the trouble from occuring.

There are serious safety issues with a vehicle that can go from P to R
without activating any kind of lock-out. This is a project worth going
after.

While it could be very inconvenient to shift from D to R while driving
down
the street, or freeway, there is scant mechanisms to prevent this
entirely.
All one need to make the shift mormally is pull up on the shift lever
while
moving it. A test of the linkage is to hold the shift lever down while
moving it to see if it stops moving when you go from D to N.

You say the solenoid is working, I assume you are saying that you can hear
it firing.

Have you ever seen the inside of a luxury car? Typically these cars have a
series of gates that the shifter must pass through to change from one gear
to another. The driver manuvers the shift lever sideways to get from one
position to the next. Typically, the movement from D to N is a straight
line, no sideways movement is needed, and from R to D is a movement that
is
assisted by a spring, so the driver gets the feel of a straight pull. The
pull out of, and push into, P is the most complex of the gates. This is an
attempt to protect Park from an inadvertant selection that can put the
vehicle into motion, or rip the transmission right out of the car without
notice -- depending on what other stuff is going on when the lever is
moved.

Your truck has the same gates, but they are hidden from view. You
negotiate
the gates by pulling the shifter lever towards the steering wheel. Most of
us are careful -- you sound like you go to great pains to be careful --
when
we operate a vehicle. We pull the lever while depressing the brake pedal.
We
make sure the vehicle is at a full stop before we attempt to change
direction -- forward or reverse, not left or right -- and we select the
lever position that gives us the gear we want.

You have the misfortune to work behind a bunch of creatons that don't care
about the physical well being of a motor vehicle. Those people appear to
me
to have rammed and crammed the shift lever with ruthless abandon, and now
you want to fix the results. I'm not clear on why you want to do this, or
why the city does not simply take the truck to the local service
department
for repair because it seems to me that there is a strong argument that the
vehicle presents a huge liability for the city. Indeed, I can't help but
wonder what liabilities YOU might be presenting by servicing something
that
you may not be qualified to fix. (Sure, you and I both know that you could
do this job on your own truck. But, if it happened to come to a lawsuit
against the city, I'm not sure the city could defend itself from your
repairs that went awry.)

Now, if your job is to maintain the city fleet, then by all means, jump
in.
But, if you are a driver that wants his rig to be right, my advice is to
make sure you are not creating a liability nightmare for your department.

I forgot, sorry, I think you said ambulance. Ambulance fleets are
frequently
private companies, not city operations. I still think there are liability
issues here for whomever is responsible -- the city or the fleet owner. I
admire your desire to make this right, but if you share the truck with
other
crews and one of them walks away from the truck, and it rolls away from
them, they are sure to say, "shit, I thought Joe fixed that problem." In
which case, the other guy's lawyer is sure to ask, "Joe?" Surely you can
connect the dots from there.

Good luck.

In the
"djdave" <noname (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:92mfr2l0f1trff5ogq44rojip7k86eevg8 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
The solenoid is actually working.
Its the fact that the rest of the gears are accessible im worried
about a drive to reverse at speed.
I'm going to switch the shift tube and linkage from the newer
replacement to my OEM.
thanx

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:50:28 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

There is a solenoid that is fired by a switch on the brake pedal. The
linkage on the solenoid releases a lock on the shifter. By the
description
you give on what this vehicle is used for, my guess is that the switch
has
been shorted so the safety lock out linkage is ineffective, or the lock
out
pawl has been sheered off through rampant abuse.

In either case, I am pretty sure it can be repaired without replacing
the
entire steering column.

"djdave" <noname (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:07i1r25dpaudfd9i351ds79s9kfg4opeo7 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
I dont have a manual for this vehicle yet.
The transmission selector drops from park into reverse without having
to pull it torward you. Is this fixable on the column or do I need to
order a replacement used column?

#13

Actually, I did not say without the need to depress the brake pedal, I
said
quote
"The transmission selector drops from park into reverse without having
to pull it torward you."
endquote

I never stated I had a problem with the brake pedal.
Now that that's cleared up...

As for all the other crap your spewing, the only reason I asked here
was because I do not YET have a service manual for this vehicle.

Do not assume I am an ambulance driver, I am not. I am certified to
repair all of the vehicles in my fleet. This repair is within my
scope. Since your good at changing/editing my post to suit you (never
said without the need to depress the brake pedal) I'd better remind
you, I do not YET have a service manual for this vehicle.

The vehicle is due for Emissions and PA State Inspection next month,
I bring any vehicles due next month to do a saftey check, so I dont
have any surprises when its sticker day... and yes I am the licenced
PA inspection and emissions mechanic.

It's a shame you did all of that typing about law and such, I could
have avoided all of that if I just added ... I do not YET have a
service manual for this vehicle.

Art Franklin

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:31:23 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

You need to get your problems straight.

In the first post, you said the shifter drops from Park to Reverse without
the need to depress the brake pedal. Now youa re saying the shifter can go
from Drive to Reverse at speed.

These are two different problems. There's a chance of a relationship between
them because they both involve the shifter, but one is a serious problem
that ought ot be fixed the other is a problem that arises from years of
abuse, and a small amount of care can prevent the trouble from occuring.

There are serious safety issues with a vehicle that can go from P to R
without activating any kind of lock-out. This is a project worth going
after.

While it could be very inconvenient to shift from D to R while driving down
the street, or freeway, there is scant mechanisms to prevent this entirely.
All one need to make the shift mormally is pull up on the shift lever while
moving it. A test of the linkage is to hold the shift lever down while
moving it to see if it stops moving when you go from D to N.

You say the solenoid is working, I assume you are saying that you can hear
it firing.

Have you ever seen the inside of a luxury car? Typically these cars have a
series of gates that the shifter must pass through to change from one gear
to another. The driver manuvers the shift lever sideways to get from one
position to the next. Typically, the movement from D to N is a straight
line, no sideways movement is needed, and from R to D is a movement that is
assisted by a spring, so the driver gets the feel of a straight pull. The
pull out of, and push into, P is the most complex of the gates. This is an
attempt to protect Park from an inadvertant selection that can put the
vehicle into motion, or rip the transmission right out of the car without
notice -- depending on what other stuff is going on when the lever is moved.

Your truck has the same gates, but they are hidden from view. You negotiate
the gates by pulling the shifter lever towards the steering wheel. Most of
us are careful -- you sound like you go to great pains to be careful -- when
we operate a vehicle. We pull the lever while depressing the brake pedal. We
make sure the vehicle is at a full stop before we attempt to change
direction -- forward or reverse, not left or right -- and we select the
lever position that gives us the gear we want.

You have the misfortune to work behind a bunch of creatons that don't care
about the physical well being of a motor vehicle. Those people appear to me
to have rammed and crammed the shift lever with ruthless abandon, and now
you want to fix the results. I'm not clear on why you want to do this, or
why the city does not simply take the truck to the local service department
for repair because it seems to me that there is a strong argument that the
vehicle presents a huge liability for the city. Indeed, I can't help but
wonder what liabilities YOU might be presenting by servicing something that
you may not be qualified to fix. (Sure, you and I both know that you could
do this job on your own truck. But, if it happened to come to a lawsuit
against the city, I'm not sure the city could defend itself from your
repairs that went awry.)

Now, if your job is to maintain the city fleet, then by all means, jump in.
But, if you are a driver that wants his rig to be right, my advice is to
make sure you are not creating a liability nightmare for your department.

I forgot, sorry, I think you said ambulance. Ambulance fleets are frequently
private companies, not city operations. I still think there are liability
issues here for whomever is responsible -- the city or the fleet owner. I
admire your desire to make this right, but if you share the truck with other
crews and one of them walks away from the truck, and it rolls away from
them, they are sure to say, "shit, I thought Joe fixed that problem." In
which case, the other guy's lawyer is sure to ask, "Joe?" Surely you can
connect the dots from there.

Good luck.

In the
"djdave" <noname (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:92mfr2l0f1trff5ogq44rojip7k86eevg8 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
The solenoid is actually working.
Its the fact that the rest of the gears are accessible im worried
about a drive to reverse at speed.
I'm going to switch the shift tube and linkage from the newer
replacement to my OEM.
thanx

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:50:28 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
crwlr (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

There is a solenoid that is fired by a switch on the brake pedal. The
linkage on the solenoid releases a lock on the shifter. By the description
you give on what this vehicle is used for, my guess is that the switch has
been shorted so the safety lock out linkage is ineffective, or the lock
out
pawl has been sheered off through rampant abuse.

In either case, I am pretty sure it can be repaired without replacing the
entire steering column.

"djdave" <noname (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:07i1r25dpaudfd9i351ds79s9kfg4opeo7 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
I dont have a manual for this vehicle yet.
The transmission selector drops from park into reverse without having
to pull it torward you. Is this fixable on the column or do I need to
order a replacement used column?

#14

I just wanted to thank you for your input in this matter. I changed
the shift tube and lockout solenoid today without the service manual
and all went great. I was able to do it without removing the column
totally.
Thanx Again Ford Tech

D.C.
Scranton PA

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:01:59 -0600, "Ford Tech" <pkurtz2 (AT) cox (DOT) net>
wrote:

Quote:

"djdave" <noname (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Lock cyl. wont come out without the key turned to RUN. the used column
I got has no key.
So its either drill, or pound it out.. going to just swap the shift
tube and pawls.

Ok, no key with new column does make it hard to swap that out.. LOL I just
thought I might save you a bit of work, but since you dont have all the
required parts to do that, sounds like the swapping of the other parts is
pretty much required.. LOL

#15

"djdave" <djdave (AT) fake (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

I just wanted to thank you for your input in this matter. I changed
the shift tube and lockout solenoid today without the service manual
and all went great. I was able to do it without removing the column
totally.
Thanx Again Ford Tech

D.C.
Scranton PA

Ah, no problem.. Thats what I am here for.. LOL If at first I dont confuse

ya, it can only help ya.. LOL

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