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Re: Detroit's darkest hour -
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In article <89rn33tkdnnjgvitarau04cksb0ltcoh5r (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, SnoMan <admin (AT) snoman (DOT) com> wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2007 09:34:19 -0500, aarcuda69062 nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Yet you have no problem slamming Dodge for totally eliminating that which you hate. You -are- full of contradictions. No I am not, your are! I like MANUALLY controlled transfer cases not servo controlled Every late model Dodge Ram 4X4 I've seen has a transfer case shift lever. No servo. one or studiply designed 4x4 systems that have no abilty to disconnect front axle differentail (like Dodge) to save a few buck making them and cost consumer a few thousands bucks in extra fuel costs over life of vehicle. Axle disconnects are unreliable and can leave you stranded. They also leave the differential gears spinning inside the differential case causing wear. Real lock out hubs might be a good compromise, but they also can fail leaving you stranded/stuck/wishing. |
Having driven 5 4x4 trucks with manual lockout front hubs to over 200,000
miles each, many of those off road using the 4x4, I have never had a hub
failure. What are you talking about?
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In article <89rn33tkdnnjgvitarau04cksb0ltcoh5r (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, SnoMan <admin (AT) snoman (DOT) com> wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2007 09:34:19 -0500, aarcuda69062 nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Yet you have no problem slamming Dodge for totally eliminating that which you hate. You -are- full of contradictions. No I am not, your are! I like MANUALLY controlled transfer cases not servo controlled Every late model Dodge Ram 4X4 I've seen has a transfer case shift lever. No servo. |
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one or studiply designed 4x4 systems that have no abilty to disconnect front axle differentail (like Dodge) to save a few buck making them and cost consumer a few thousands bucks in extra fuel costs over life of vehicle. Axle disconnects are unreliable and can leave you stranded. |
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They also leave the differential gears spinning inside the differential case causing wear. Real lock out hubs might be a good compromise, but they also can fail leaving you stranded/stuck/wishing. |
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If shifting a Tcase manually or maybe even having to engage hubs (like I did for many years) is too much for you then get a 2wd. I've never owned anything but manually shifted transfer cases. |
on the dash and IIRC, Tom L also has a switch for the 4WD on his DODGE.
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Given todays fuel market there is no logic excuse to not disconnect front differentail and drive shaft in 2wd. None! Your -opinion-. |
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It is strictly a profit thing and nothin more. Another one of your opinions. |
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Dodge could have had lockout hubs easily added to the new AAM axle they started using in 2003 on HD pickups but it was cheaper to leave them off and use the bastard hub/bearing design that they use instead and let consumer pay for folly unknowingly. Again, opinion. And as for "unknowingly," you think it's some deep dark secret? |
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Make no mistake it is costing you MPG and more than you think. It's not costing me anything. I could always tell when my hubs or diff was not disconnected in 2wd because it did not roll/coast as well but on a Dodge it is "normal" to have it drag all the time so you do not know any better other than wonder why your MPG sucks at times. Funny, my friend just returned from a trip to Colorado in his 04 ram 2500 diesel, pulling a trailer with 4 passengers, he averaged 20 mpg not to mention 30 cents a gallon cheaper for diesel fuel vs. gasoline. Same trip when he had a 2000 Ram 2500 gas 5.9, he'd get at best 11 mpg and be wheezing up the mountains... don't forget, the 2000 had front axle disconnect. |
At least if the two trucks had the same engine you could actually be making
a point but here....
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Post something factual, not your usual anti-Dodge/diesel snobbery that is totally based on emotion instead of fact. |
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As for your "thousands extra in fuel costs," check what the going rate is to repair late model Ford lock outs and get back to me, okay? |
rear axle bearing for a late model Dodge 2500? How much will it cost to
repair / replace a transfer case and due to that cost, should we all be
driving 2WD's?
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"aarcuda69062" <nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message news:nonelson-A9E39C.08395105052007 (AT) newsclstr02 (DOT) news.prodigy.com... In article <89rn33tkdnnjgvitarau04cksb0ltcoh5r (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, SnoMan <admin (AT) snoman (DOT) com> wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2007 09:34:19 -0500, aarcuda69062 nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Yet you have no problem slamming Dodge for totally eliminating that which you hate. You -are- full of contradictions. No I am not, your are! I like MANUALLY controlled transfer cases not servo controlled Every late model Dodge Ram 4X4 I've seen has a transfer case shift lever. No servo. Then I guess that you don't get out much. |
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one or studiply designed 4x4 systems that have no abilty to disconnect front axle differentail (like Dodge) to save a few buck making them and cost consumer a few thousands bucks in extra fuel costs over life of vehicle. Axle disconnects are unreliable and can leave you stranded. Really??? How??? |
Or the Dodge/Chevy guys who've had the vacuum switch on the
T-case fail.
Or the Chevy guys who've had a battery leak and the acid ate up
the disconnect pot.
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They also leave the differential gears spinning inside the differential case causing wear. Real lock out hubs might be a good compromise, but they also can fail leaving you stranded/stuck/wishing. Again, how??? |
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If shifting a Tcase manually or maybe even having to engage hubs (like I did for many years) is too much for you then get a 2wd. I've never owned anything but manually shifted transfer cases. But that doesn't mean that they don't exist. |
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My buddies Ford has a switch on the dash and IIRC, Tom L also has a switch for the 4WD on his DODGE. |
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Given todays fuel market there is no logic excuse to not disconnect front differentail and drive shaft in 2wd. None! Your -opinion-. I would say the opinion of many. |
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It is strictly a profit thing and nothin more. Another one of your opinions. Then what is the real reason? |
has been lawn mower guy.
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Dodge could have had lockout hubs easily added to the new AAM axle they started using in 2003 on HD pickups but it was cheaper to leave them off and use the bastard hub/bearing design that they use instead and let consumer pay for folly unknowingly. Again, opinion. And as for "unknowingly," you think it's some deep dark secret? It doesn't have to be a deap dark secret for people not to be aware of it. |
they're buying, it's their fault for not doing their homework.
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Make no mistake it is costing you MPG and more than you think. It's not costing me anything. I could always tell when my hubs or diff was not disconnected in 2wd because it did not roll/coast as well but on a Dodge it is "normal" to have it drag all the time so you do not know any better other than wonder why your MPG sucks at times. Funny, my friend just returned from a trip to Colorado in his 04 ram 2500 diesel, pulling a trailer with 4 passengers, he averaged 20 mpg not to mention 30 cents a gallon cheaper for diesel fuel vs. gasoline. Same trip when he had a 2000 Ram 2500 gas 5.9, he'd get at best 11 mpg and be wheezing up the mountains... don't forget, the 2000 had front axle disconnect. Is this the best that you can do? You are comparing apples to oranges here. |
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At least if the two trucks had the same engine you could actually be making a point but here.... |
pulling my car to Carlisle. Plenty of fault to find with that
comparison also.
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Post something factual, not your usual anti-Dodge/diesel snobbery that is totally based on emotion instead of fact. What does this particular post have to do with diesels? |
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As for your "thousands extra in fuel costs," check what the going rate is to repair late model Ford lock outs and get back to me, okay? What makes you think that they are going to fail? |
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How much is a replacement rear axle bearing for a late model Dodge 2500? |
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How much will it cost to repair / replace a transfer case |
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and due to that cost, should we all be driving 2WD's? |
But transfer case wear wasn't one of Snoman's objections, good
thing you were here to think of it for him.
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"aarcuda69062" <nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message news:nonelson-A9E39C.08395105052007 (AT) newsclstr02 (DOT) news.prodigy.com... In article <89rn33tkdnnjgvitarau04cksb0ltcoh5r (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, SnoMan <admin (AT) snoman (DOT) com> wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2007 09:34:19 -0500, aarcuda69062 nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Yet you have no problem slamming Dodge for totally eliminating that which you hate. You -are- full of contradictions. No I am not, your are! I like MANUALLY controlled transfer cases not servo controlled Every late model Dodge Ram 4X4 I've seen has a transfer case shift lever. No servo. one or studiply designed 4x4 systems that have no abilty to disconnect front axle differentail (like Dodge) to save a few buck making them and cost consumer a few thousands bucks in extra fuel costs over life of vehicle. Axle disconnects are unreliable and can leave you stranded. They also leave the differential gears spinning inside the differential case causing wear. Real lock out hubs might be a good compromise, but they also can fail leaving you stranded/stuck/wishing. Having driven 5 4x4 trucks with manual lockout front hubs to over 200,000 miles each, many of those off road using the 4x4, I have never had a hub failure. What are you talking about? |
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In article <YdK%h.5476$83.1806@trndny08>, "My Name Is Nobody" <nobody (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote: "aarcuda69062" <nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message news:nonelson-A9E39C.08395105052007 (AT) newsclstr02 (DOT) news.prodigy.com... In article <89rn33tkdnnjgvitarau04cksb0ltcoh5r (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, SnoMan <admin (AT) snoman (DOT) com> wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2007 09:34:19 -0500, aarcuda69062 nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Yet you have no problem slamming Dodge for totally eliminating that which you hate. You -are- full of contradictions. No I am not, your are! I like MANUALLY controlled transfer cases not servo controlled Every late model Dodge Ram 4X4 I've seen has a transfer case shift lever. No servo. one or studiply designed 4x4 systems that have no abilty to disconnect front axle differentail (like Dodge) to save a few buck making them and cost consumer a few thousands bucks in extra fuel costs over life of vehicle. Axle disconnects are unreliable and can leave you stranded. They also leave the differential gears spinning inside the differential case causing wear. Real lock out hubs might be a good compromise, but they also can fail leaving you stranded/stuck/wishing. Having driven 5 4x4 trucks with manual lockout front hubs to over 200,000 miles each, many of those off road using the 4x4, I have never had a hub failure. What are you talking about? Failed lock out hubs. |
also can fail leaving you stranded/stuck/wishing." is disingenuous at
best...
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In article <463f767c$0$15118$4c368faf (AT) roadrunner (DOT) com>, "TBone" <tboneNOSPAM (AT) nc (DOT) rr.com> wrote: "aarcuda69062" <nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message news:nonelson-A9E39C.08395105052007 (AT) newsclstr02 (DOT) news.prodigy.com... In article <89rn33tkdnnjgvitarau04cksb0ltcoh5r (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, SnoMan <admin (AT) snoman (DOT) com> wrote: They also leave the differential gears spinning inside the differential case causing wear. Real lock out hubs might be a good compromise, but they also can fail leaving you stranded/stuck/wishing. Again, how??? I made two statements there, which one would you like clarified? |
might be a good compromise, but they also can fail leaving you
stranded/stuck/wishing."
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Given todays fuel market there is no logic excuse to not disconnect front differentail and drive shaft in 2wd. None! Your -opinion-. I would say the opinion of many. Could be, but they all haven't chimed in here... |
about reducing rolling resistance to avoid sticking their foot in their
mouth on this particular point...
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Because it's a known pattern failure. How much is a replacement rear axle bearing for a late model Dodge 2500? There are no "axle bearings" in a late model Dodge 2500 rear axle assembly. |
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"aarcuda69062" <nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message news:nonelson-5E459B.20420407052007 (AT) newsclstr03 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... In article <463f767c$0$15118$4c368faf (AT) roadrunner (DOT) com>, "TBone" <tboneNOSPAM (AT) nc (DOT) rr.com> wrote: "aarcuda69062" <nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message news:nonelson-A9E39C.08395105052007 (AT) newsclstr02 (DOT) news.prodigy.com... In article <89rn33tkdnnjgvitarau04cksb0ltcoh5r (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, SnoMan <admin (AT) snoman (DOT) com> wrote: They also leave the differential gears spinning inside the differential case causing wear. Real lock out hubs might be a good compromise, but they also can fail leaving you stranded/stuck/wishing. Again, how??? I made two statements there, which one would you like clarified? This really silly one that is based in totally fantasy, "Real lock out hubs might be a good compromise, but they also can fail leaving you stranded/stuck/wishing." Given todays fuel market there is no logic excuse to not disconnect front differentail and drive shaft in 2wd. None! Your -opinion-. I would say the opinion of many. Could be, but they all haven't chimed in here... No but everyone who want so seriously talk about fuel mileage, knows enough about reducing rolling resistance to avoid sticking their foot in their mouth on this particular point... Because it's a known pattern failure. How much is a replacement rear axle bearing for a late model Dodge 2500? There are no "axle bearings" in a late model Dodge 2500 rear axle assembly. No axel bearings in an axel assembly? Now that is a neat trick... |
Actually, he is correct as it is called a wheel bearing in this case with
its full floating axles but he knew what I was talking about.
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Having driven 5 4x4 trucks with manual lockout front hubs to over 200,000 miles each, many of those off road using the 4x4, I have never had a hub failure. What are you talking about? Failed lock out hubs. Well your statement "Real lock out hubs might be a good compromise, but they also can fail leaving you stranded/stuck/wishing." is disingenuous at best... |
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"aarcuda69062" <nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message news:nonelson-5E459B.20420407052007 (AT) newsclstr03 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... In article <463f767c$0$15118$4c368faf (AT) roadrunner (DOT) com>, "TBone" <tboneNOSPAM (AT) nc (DOT) rr.com> wrote: "aarcuda69062" <nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message news:nonelson-A9E39C.08395105052007 (AT) newsclstr02 (DOT) news.prodigy.com... In article <89rn33tkdnnjgvitarau04cksb0ltcoh5r (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, SnoMan <admin (AT) snoman (DOT) com> wrote: They also leave the differential gears spinning inside the differential case causing wear. Real lock out hubs might be a good compromise, but they also can fail leaving you stranded/stuck/wishing. Again, how??? I made two statements there, which one would you like clarified? This really silly one that is based in totally fantasy, "Real lock out hubs might be a good compromise, but they also can fail leaving you stranded/stuck/wishing." |
them than your 5 trucks, hardly a fantasy.
The AAM axles without lock outs or a disengagement mechanism are
also a compromise, buy I'm not about to discount them based
solely on Snojobs say so.
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truck and expect to get it.
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bearings.
Me thinks you don't know as much about this stuff as you think
you do.
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No axel bearings in an axel assembly? Now that is a neat trick... Actually, he is correct as it is called a wheel bearing in this case with its full floating axles but he knew what I was talking about. |
answered as I did.
So, was that purposely miss-worded or are you really that
unfamiliar with the proper names of the parts?
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