"aarcuda69062" <nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote

And this gets then stuck....how??? It might stop the front axle from
engaging but that is not going to get them stuck, unless of course the rear
axle isn't working either.

Both.

But that is what you have implied.

Why would they?

Ah, I see. It is not whether he is correct or not that matters, just your
dislike of the guy. The point is that it is not the engineers designing
this crap, it is the accountants determining how to make a few extra pennies
of extra profit by cutting back on the engineers designs that makes these
decisions.

Oh, back to the right wing buyer beware huh? The problem with that way of
thinking is that it allows for a "fuckem if you can" mentality which then
results in your hated "big government".

So I guess that you are the same as you accuse him of being then.

Not enough information here.

While he may be anti-diesel, I just don't see the anti-dodge part of it.

Really??? What is the frequency of failure.

Ok, the rear hub assembly but I think that you knew that. The point is that
parts fail sometimes and sometimes they are expensive and Ford does not have
an exclusive on that one.

Then the same goes for the Fords front locking hubs and I'm unaware of a
high failure rate here.

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If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving

In article <4641fbe9$0$18864$4c368faf (AT) roadrunner (DOT) com>,
"TBone" <tboneNOSPAM (AT) nc (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

You're right, no one buys a 4X4 because it might afford them
better traction. A functioning front drive axle has nothing to
do with stuck or unstuck.

Since the axle disconnects in discussion here only disengage the
outer right axle stub from the inner right axle shaft, the left
axle stays engaged with the differential pinion gears, that means
that when the vehicle is moving and 4X4 is not engaged, the
differential pinion gears are still spinning inside the
differential case.

Lock out hubs, I wish I could give you a count of the number of
lock out hubs I've replaced during my years in GM and Ford
dealerships, but I just never kept a record. I can tell you that
in the nine years that I owned my F-150, I replaced the lock out
hubs three times because they would corrode from the winter road
salt so badly that they'd either leak or you couldn't
engage/disengage them anymore. Wasn't unusual to spend an hour
drilling out the allen bolts that held them together to perform a
brake job/bearing pack only to find that they'd still not come
apart due to rot and had to be removed destructively.
Then there's the auto hubs that were used on the Bronco II
/Ranger/Explorer chassis that would fail and when they did, the
customer would be in fear of driving the vehicle in for service
and have it towed.
The auto locking hubs used on the GM K-5 and K-10 chassis were
just plain useless.

Anyone who actually depends on their 4 wheel drive working when
it's needed instead of buying it as a penis extension can
certainly appreciate the simplicity and reliability of not having
an added failure point as part of their front drive axle.

The only 'implications' in this thread are Snojerk's assertions
that he has some sort of inside information as to why Dodge chose
to do something the way they did or the reasons a consumer might
choose one version over another.

Ask them. I wouldn't pretend to answer for the millions of other
4X4 owners out there.


I don't dislike the guy (or Snoman for that matter), never met
either of them. But Snoman does give a disproportionate share of
flat out wrong information, and in this case, there is no chance
that he's anywhere near the position of knowing the real reasons
of why a particular design choice was made.

Cite?

Back to?
Should I reply with; back to the left wing buyers' poor choices
are the fault of everyone else except themselves?

Sorry, I fail to see the connection between "big government" and
why Dodge Ram trucks don't have front axle disconnects or lock
out hubs and frankly, if were a matter of "big government" to
begin with, then they would have them in the interest of
emissions and energy conservation.
(and just between you and me; that is starting to look a bit like
a lunatic rant)

Not necessarily. Apples to Oranges isn't the same as talking out
of ones ass.

What more information would you like?

Maybe you're not as familiar with his posts as I am.

Impossible to know the total, but that doesn't discount the fact
that it's well known about in the repair industry.

There is no "rear hub assembly" either.

But if that part is eliminated, then the real possibility exists
that the deletion of that part wasn't strictly based on shaving
pennies off the cost of an axle assembly.

Just because you're unaware doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

"aarcuda69062" <nonelson (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote


Are you serious? 4x4 front drive axel/hub assembly failures are nearly
NONEXISTENT. Do you have any data indicating they fail any more often than
rear axle assemblies??? What the heck are you talking about???



You vast experience with ONE F-150?

Since when did trucklet parts (Bronco II/Ranger/Explorer GM K-5 and K-10)
enter in to this discussion.

How many 3/4 & 1-ton (real trucks) lock out hubs have you seen fail? You
know damn well not too many.



You have a Penis fixation too? The more you rave about a nonexistent
problem the sillier you look.



Well your position is questionable at best when you lump it together with
your asinine assertion that lock out hub don't function exactly as designed,
with nearly zero failures for well over 100,000 miles in 99% of all new 4x4
trucks.


True

and in this case, there is no chance
Actually bean counters have been directing engineering choices in Detroit
for way too long, he is not far off...


No but you are the one making the silly assertion. Provide you proof. You
have been called show your hand!

If this high failure rate is anything other than a figment of your
imagination, you should be able to easily provide all sorts of links to
information about these extensive failures. Otherwise, you are simply
spewing bullshit.

I can't believe you 2 guys are still posting in this silly thread. Good
grief! Thanks for crossposting and have a nice day! Just call each other on
the phone and get it all straightened out.

In article <n5N0i.8903$wy2.5256@trnddc03>,
"My Name Is Nobody" <nobody (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

Yes.

Based on your experience as an owner.
An owner who doesn't know the difference between an axle bearing
and a wheel bearing.
What state do you live in?

Why are you asking an auto mechanic for statistical data?
Could you possibly be any more absurd?
I am giving you the benefit of my observations, fuck me that I
didn't know to keep detailed records starting back in 1979 when I
first worked in a dealership.
I'd really like to give you the statistics for 1983, it was a
harsh winter, but I was a little busy fixing vehicles, I didn't
have time to stand there with a clip board with my tie tucked
into my shirt.
Tell ya what, -YOU- invent the time machine and we'll both go
back together and you can watch over my shoulder. Sounds fair to
me.

Apparently, something that is bursting your bubble big time.

You've added no comments so I'll just assume that there is no
disagreement and you actually learned something.

Read again, pay more attention to where I say "the number of lock
out hubs I've replaced during my years in GM and Ford
dealerships,"

Since the size of the vehicle has nothing to do with the fact
that added components and complexity adds to the likelihood of
more frequent failure.

Why would you even bother to ask given that earlier in your
reply, you expressed dissatisfaction with my methods of recall.
You'll just have to use your imagination since I can't produce
the laboratory grade test results tabulated on a fleet of Cray
super computers amatorized according to congressional voting
districts and cross checked against blood type.

No, but you probably do since it seems to have upset you so.

So, go buy a Super Duty with vacuum locking hubs and get back to
me in a few years and tell me all about "silly" when your truck
won't pass an emissions test because the seals in the vacuum hubs
are leaking and setting lean trouble codes. (but I'm thinking
this might be a bit over your head)

Luckily, I'm not a whole lot concerned since it's quite apparent
that your experiences are (to say the least) limited.

Indeed.

While that statement in and of itself is true, that doesn't
necessarily make it the case in this instance.
Snocone has a habit of picking out what -he- considers a flaw
based upon fourth hand information and then preaching it like
it's gospel. He's a self proclaimed master mechanic who's
publicly admitted to farming out his leaking intake manifold
gaskets (2 times on the same truck), beating Dana rear axles
together with a hammer and numerous other atrocities too horrible
to repeat here. (IOWs, he's a shit kicker)
Even if what he is saying were true, based upon what we both
agree on, he deserves a double measure of the same 'no
credibility' ploy as you've attempted to use on me.

Get a job as a mechanic, join i-ATN, then do a search.

You not being in the right position to be aware does not equal me
spewing bullshit.

Or; state your occupation, number of years of experience,
percentage of work hours doing driveline repairs/overhauls, brand
sponsored and/or aftermarket certifications and which training
centers you've attended and/or taught at.

aardvarkbarracuda69062:
Beat it, troll.



--
Make friends with a few animals. Then you will become a cheerful man
once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. -- Albert Einstein

"Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote

This is where you should take your own advice.

On Fri, 11 May 2007 00:35:22 -0700, Beryl <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net>
wrote:


lmfao. holy jumpin and down martha. barrow, you gotta be kidding. you
are the biggest troll around........well steve b may be a very close
ssecond, but you are still number one. you should be happy though, at
least you made it to number one at something.

Roy wrote:
Nah. aardvarkbarracuda is another feces-hurling punk from the Ford
balljoint thread that you once thought was important that I read, but
then refused to say why. What was your problem there?



--
Make friends with a few animals. Then you will become a cheerful man
once more and nothing will be able to trouble you. -- Albert Einstein

"Beryl" <terrapin (AT) coolbits (DOT) net> wrote

Like I said take you own advice.